Xta ! Wow. I am so touched. : ) Obrigada a voçe !

Delurked, that is too bad. I would imagine that they would grow and change while stickig to their roots a bit. I actually have always admired the couple who started the company. I haven't been on their site in a long time...but how can you go wrong with cat tights ?! I wonder where people go now for more modest clothing...I will have to ask my friend.

Jaileen I have to make a correcton African Americans were stolen from their homeland.

We my people did not immigrate to. AMERICA. Our language or history our birthright was stolen. We as a people as descendents of slaves are still feeling the ramifications of being taken.

Black history is celebrated diring the month of February.

Least we forget...

Thanks for the reminder, Ledonna.

Reading this and other 'political' threads with interest since I am intrigued how clothing/fashion can be more than just keeping one's body warm or protected.

At my place of work union members were asked to wear black and white clothing the day before a hard bargaining session. The union leaders feedback was that black and white days were effective in showing solidarity and did prompt favourable resolutions.

I loved the pink knitted pussy ear hats worn for the recent marches. Red trucker hats have also taken on new significance, as have safety pins.

History is full of examples of clothing getting caught up with politics...

PS: I'm glad we have 'Off Topic' for these types of debates.

Ledonna, thanks for the correction.

This fall I had CASA training about childhood trauma. I learned that trauma can permanently affect a child's genes, and the effect is passed on to future generations.

Seriously, JAileen? I have a newly-certified therapist friend who is studying trauma for her work. I'll have to learn more about this. Fascinating.

Epigenetics is the field I believe re trauma conditions and impact on subsequent generations. The studies I heard about were on nutrition, starvation.

Mochi, yes. I had never heard of it before and was astounded. Rachy is exactly right. Genes can be inactive, but trauma can activate them, and the activation is passed on to the next generation. If trauma causes a gene to be activated, causing a particular health issue, that new health issue is passed on to future generations.

Yes, Rachy, it is epigenetics.  This is the whole nurture vs nature thing.  Environmental factors ( including stress and trauma ) have all kinds of effects on neurochemistry,neuronal pathways and genes.  It is still a bit controversial but this is definitely gaining steam.   : )  Look at people who are exposed to radiation and can pass defects onto their kids...

This is one if the reasons that doctors have , for decades, studied identical twins separated at birth when they can find them.

Isn't the human body AH-MAZING ?

Wow, I missed a fascinating thread this weekend! I love a good debate and unfortunately in my world most people don't do that any more. As a Liberal (Progressive? Democrat?) in a mostly conservative area I am usually on the opposite side of any issue and find that people just avoid talking about these things around me. They just want to vent with those who agree. My spouse and I have very good friends, 2 couples, who are on the opposite end of us politically. The six of us used to be able to discuss politics and current events, and even argue about them, but for the last 5-10 years that has gradually become something we can't do. My hubby and I are willing but they will not engage. Maybe we have been too heated in our arguments but I we have never resorted to name-calling, even unintentionally.

I love that there are posters here who agree with me! But I can understand that it makes those who disagree feel like outsiders. We are not trying to make you feel that way but I think have to acknowledge that talking negatively about Trump affects you that way. (As my friend who said that she "hates Barack Obama with a burning passion" made me feel). But I will add, as others have said, that we have tried to mostly keep this civil and fashion-related. I don't know if there is a solution, except to say this isn't a personal judgement on you.

Regarding Ivanka, I have to think that a lot of her success is because of the Trump name (at least it surely gave her an advantage in getting started), therefore it can also drag her down.

I absolutely think that Nordstrom is basing their decision on politics, and I do not applaud them for this action.

And I haven't read all of the comments yet, but I do agree with those that stated they have been feeling a little less welcomed here on YLF as of late. That makes me very sad.

Trump rips Nordstrom for dropping daughter’s clothing line

http://thehill.com/homenews/ad.....ers-clothi

Trump rips everyone who does not agree with him. As an adult I'm really over his tantrums and alternative facts.

According to today's White House schedule, at 10:30 a.m. Trump receives his Daily Intelligence Briefing. At 10:51 a.m. tweets about Nordstrom. Appalling. God help us all.

Priorities..

On the off side, the Secret Service needs to take away his phone. If you can tweet on it, it's a spy phone. A listening device and a camera.

Although, I do like that he tweets. I want to know where he is and what he's doing and thinking. But he needs to go outside to tweet. And the phone needs to be kept outside.

I just made calls to my two senators to express my feelings about Jeff Sessions.

Now I have a sudden desire to shop at Nordstrom.

So what I don't get is this : Trump and his allies are free market people. Yet when the market speaks, they attack it. You're either free market or you aren't. If you're both, then you're just dishonest and gaming the system . : )

Yesterday, at the Sherriff's national meeting, he again brought up the election and pointed out which sheriffs were from counties he won. SMH

http://www.hollywoodreporter.c.....7?utm_sour

response from Nordstrom and from their stock (which dipped then rose)

I just called and thanked Nordstrom for their action in pulling Ivanka's line, as suggested by Daily Action.

It is interesting that her clothes are made in China and Hong Kong, despite all the "Make America Great" bluster of her father.

I will continue to make daily calls and speak up for my values. I like to think I would have spoken up in Germany in the 1930's, but who knows. I will be respectful. At the same time, I'm not going to be silent because my actions make someone "uncomfortable." I imagine Syrian refugees are a lot more "uncomfortable."

In the pithy words of Bob the Wonder Poodle:

Sorry but speaking as a German I am a bit irritated about the comparison of "speaking up in the 1930's". Really?

Incredible. I try not to be putting a political spin on things, then Trump scolds Nordstrom for a free-market decision. I'm really appalled and angry. I'll go to their site and pick something out to order. This administration is already costing, LOL.

Regardless of whether or not IT still owns or runs the clothing line that bears her name, I find it very concerning that the POTUS is singling out businesses to praise or criticize based on the family name. That's a direct conflict of interest, and I do not believe for a second that he is not also using his influence to do what is best for his own business interests, as well - you know, the ones that he no longer owns or has a stake in *wink*wink*nudge*nudge*

I need to call Nordstrom now.

I guess that this is how people who did not vote for President Obama feel.

I'm so disappointed in the current administration at a veteran and former solider his behavior is so alternative. Maybe those that voted and support him see something different.

Sorry to irritate you, Astrid. I am certainly not the only person to draw the comparison to Germany in the 1930's. Yes, really, I think it is quite valid. I stand by it. And I respect your right to disagree.

Ledonna, I must respectfully disagree. Obama never got into Twitter wars; Obama never used his office to support a family business, nor could he be accused of conflict of interest when it came to businesses he owned; Obama was not accused of nepotism; Obama was never a science denier; Obama never attempted to silence the EPA or the NPS. Need I go on?

That is not to say that many people did not take issue with many things that Obama did, sometimes rightfully so. But we really are in uncharted territory with the things going on right now.

While I will agree that Former President Obama NEVER did any of these things. I'm trying to understand the mindset of a Trump voter.

It's okay to disagree. But, as always I'm trying to understand how one can condone a Trump and his administration. Many Americans had felt strong opposition to Former President Obama. Probably just as strongly as they are for Trump.

I'm trying to understand why he gets a major pass that the former POTUS could never get away with.

It is sure to be an intresting 4 years.

Despite what the media may say i work with others whom are well off and not the stereotype of a Trump supporter.

Must add: I don't know how they're letting Trump keep tweeting things, because spy phone! Rachy's not wrong. But I'll actually be really sorry if they take it away, because it's so damn funny. I love it when he ends a tweet with a single word, followed by an exclamation mark, like "Sad!".

Material for comedy is one of the few good things to come out of this election. I sure wish Jon Steward hadn't retired -- although Colbert is marvellous too.

ETA Ledonna, or the life of me, I can't figure out WHY some voters were so violently opposed to Obama. I can understand that a person might not agree with his policies -- what he proposed to do for them and for the country as president -- but he was invariably polite, measured, unflappable...and seemed to genuinely care about people, and America itself. He actually seemed nice. And intelligent. Trump, on the other hand, can be boorish, petulant and a bunch of other things that would make most people want to back away quickly. What I don't get is this: do the people who support him recognize his unsavoury and childish behaviour, and overlook it because they agree with his policies? Or do they think he's a nice, straight-talking, misunderstood guy who has their backs?

Btw Ledonna, re. the stereotype of the downwardly-mobile, white, male Trump supporter: apparently that's not quite right. The stats show that while most Trump voters were indeed white, many of them were middle class (and female!). A better predictor of whether a person voted for Trump was where they live. White people living adjacent to communities of non-white ethnic or cultural groups were far more likely to vote for Trump than those living in areas that incorporated these groups. These people feel 'threatened from the outside'. Apparently day-to-day interaction with individuals from other origins takes away most of that feeling of threat, and indeed the perception of 'otherness' of those different cultural groups.

So much for my plan to lay off the politics. But look! I'm just talking statistics! That's dry and boring and not inflammatory at all!