54 and I've earned it! I actually get confused when someone thinks I am much younger. I like my age!

I turned 50 this year, and I've made the shift to dressing as my best self, not searching for the youngest look, or, frankly, the skinniest. I'm still at the point where I feel judgement more for being too large than too old.

And Peri, for the record, I think you have a refined and elegant appearance, and it's been a joy to see some of the choices you've made to refresh your wardrobe recently.

Aargh, I came home from work just now, so late I don't even have time to reply to my own thread. But with a heading like this, I couldn't resist taking a minute to share these pictures from my inspiration files. Not from some specific folder I've set aside for when I get older, but from a folder I use for inspiration right now. I'm only in my mid 20s, and I look to ladies like this to show me how it's done. That, and the amazing folks from Advanced Style. Holy cow, this lady is awesome! http://advancedstyle.blogspot......color.html

Old? Maybe. I just wish words like old, young, fat, skinny, etc, didn't have implied value judgement. No one thinks blue is an insult while red is a compliment, because we didn't decide all things blue are inferior. If only "old" really just meant a certain age, instead of being synonymous with "past it," and "out of touch." Anyway, that's a whole other thing.

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I kind of slunk through my 50's, not wanting anyone to know how "old" I was. For me 60 was the magic number...now I happily say "I'm 62"!

I'm with you! I wouldn't go back for anything! (54) I greatly enjoy the process of becoming- and the fashion part is visible and fun! I think that if you are seeking to share yourself and connect with others through your appearance that there is less of an age-uniform, whatever you wear will be reflecting you. This applies to shapes and sizes, also.One thing about this forum that I appreciate most is this appreciation of and help with all our differences, seeking each others best, adapting style for the person.

Fascinating subject and great thread! I really think age can be a state of mind for many people. I have a friend, one of the mums at school, and she's 15 years younger than me yet she seems a lot older in her thinking and behaviour. Conversely I had a customer for over 20 years who was 91 when she passed away and I never ever thought of her as old, elderly or whatever term you care to use. She seemed like a teenager to me and I still think very fondly of her. She embraced life and always loved to wear a skirt suit and heels for as long as I new her. God bless you Hilda

BTW I turn 50 next year and I love the inspiring ladies on YLF whatever age they are.

Yes, why is it that "older" in thinking and behavior is always a bad connotation? At least here. Would this be an insult in cultures where age is respected? Can we change our mindset and the way we think about and describe "older"?

Peri - I am so glad you posted on this issue. I am 54 so I count myself part of the club. I think my goal is to find my authentic style. No we don't want to look younger or older we want to look current but as it relates to who we are and what we like. One of the great thing about our times is the element of choice and one of the most outstanding parts of the YLFcommunity is how everyone makes a huge effort to help "you" be "you" without judgement. But I do think ageism is very prevalent in our culture and we need to be sensitive to vernacular that becomes commonplace but is judgemental. Thank you for addressing this issue. Great and thought provoking post and comments for everyone. I've personally really enjoyed hearing everyones thought!

Last year I lost one of my best friends who was 88. Knowing her helped me redefine how an older woman can be. She was so knowledgeable on so many topics that one could have amazing conversations about almost anything. She totally embraced technology and was Skyping with friends around the world early on. She was still very attractive and had had a lover several decades younger. Money was tight for her, but we talked fashion anyway. She was a wonderful example of a life long learner. In my own mind I try very hard not to set an arbitrary age as to when "old" begins.

I just wish some advertising included models slightly older. Thanks to YLF I'm happy to try most new styles, but maybe not purchase them. It's not always easy to imagine how they might look when the models are so young, and incredibly slender.

"why is it that "older" in thinking and behavior is always a bad connotation?"

Isis, for me, you've hit the nail squarely on the head! And I'd like to add "looking" to "thinking and behavior". Even in a group of intelligent, caring women it's frightening to see how easy it is for ageism to creep into our thinking and comments, which, I think, is the point that Peri is trying to make. And I'm certainly not blameless--it's just that I now do it to women who are in their seventies, eighties, and nineties now that I'm in my mid-sixties.

Why do I smile and think it's a good thing for a woman in her nineties to act "young", not "old"? Why do I automatically think telling someone "you look so young for your age" is a compliment while I know with certainty saying someone is "acting so old for her age" is a deadly way of dismissing her choices. Why do I feel so much hope for my own aging when I see inspirational Photoshopped images of older celebrities even though I fully realize I've never remotely resembled a media image in my life? Why do I say "grey hair is beautiful" but ask my stylist for highlights since my own grey is "not quite the right shade"? And the big question--if getting old and wrinkly is inevitable, why do I still think that looking like an "old lady" is something that will only happen if I "give in" to not caring about my diet, exercise, and wardrobe?

I love that so many of us in the over-50 category are determined to walk the next few decades with our heads held high, being proud of our age. But I know I'm already getting more sensitive about how dismissive I was to older women a decade ago when I told them that "aging was in their minds and their souls could stay young forever". Maybe, but that kind of comment just seems a bit too glib to be comfortable these days.

Hmm... Interesting Gaylene. I think maybe I should clarify. I can't always express myself in writing as I want to. I agree that we shouldn't dismiss mature thinking and acting and a life time of wisdom and knowledge is precious. Maybe what I mean is that my customer had quite a zest for life and we can of course have that at any age also, but it is often, unfortunately, associated with youth. My younger friend however, has a sort of 'well, it's inevitable' attitude.

Happy to be healthy and fit and 56! Working in a hospital, I am constantly reminded how fortunate I am - numerical age is so inconsequential.

I also like what Suz said.

Within the last couple of months I've caught myself thinking "old lady" when looking at certain kinds of clothes in the stores, or when an SA has brought out a certain style for me to try. (I hope I haven't said it out loud!) When the phrase pops into my mind, I now catch myself with: "Whoa! Who's an old lady? I'm 72."

For me Old Lady isn't just frumpy or dated--it's a certain kind of outfit that could be brand-new and expensive, but isn't modern. I wish I could explain it better. Sometimes it is overdressing, or too formal for an occasion, or too match-matchy.

It is more difficult to fit the changing older body, and at times I feel pressure to just give in and buy oversized baggy clothes. I've always enjoyed fashion and clothing though, and I personally like exploring personal style and the challenges of aging. One great thing about the Internet is that like-minded women can share their outfits and adventures in shopping and dressing their age. I might be the only woman around who doesn't wear a baggy track suit to the grocery store, but I've got my online contemporaries to support me in maintaining a certain standard of dress.

Great topic. Googling "dress for over 60 women" is what brought me to YLF in the first place.

The 'bad connotation' about my 54YO friend acting 'old' is for me the sense of disengagement and negativity that could make her life shorter and less happy. This same energy is draining and uncomfortable for those around her too.
I suppose I don't want to be 'youthful' but still retain the optimism and joy of a child

This is a great thread. So many aspects to aging: both pragmatic ones and deeper ones. Is it different to ask if this is too young a look as opposed to is this too old a look? Or "am I too old to wear this well" or "too young to wear this well"?

I am 58 and it impacts my wardrobe in the following ways:

-I know better what I want my style to be
-I can assess what works best with greater accuracy
-I can afford time and money for fashion pursuits more readily now
-My feet have spoken. They must win out over my eyes
-I realize that everyone has something that they are accommodating or working around when choosing clothing.

I have seen how attitude, health, priorities, time constraints and budgets can impact wardrobe options at any age. I have experience with "abdicating" a la Suz. I also think that life has its seasons and I watched my ever so style conscious mother embrace the convenience of elastic waist pants and ultimately even her sneakers as she became frail and prone to falls. She wasn't abdicating, she was choosing things that worked best to keep her safe and comfortable. She still took delight in choosing what necklace or top to pair with her outfit, but made her peace with the necessity of sturdy shoes. If the time comes for me, I don't want to view elastic waist pants as a defeat, but rather a match for my needs- perhaps as something that frees me up to focus on bigger things. If circumstances allow, I hope to be PPP about even those, but I know that may not make sense in that context.

I really appreciate the many perspectives in these posts. Who says fashion is frivolous? You all have me thinking here.

Eliza, great points, and I couldn't agree more. That is a very helpful way to look at it.

To take a completely different tack -- and to play devil's advocate -- could it be that "old" gets a bad reputation in our culture partly because some older people are unpleasant?

I mean they are unpleasant in the way that some teenagers are unpleasant -- well, a different way, of course, but you know what I am saying. Teens get a bad rep, too. For many, this is entirely undeserved. And of course they also simultaneously benefit from our fetishizing of youth. At the same time, people do stereotype them.

I guess Eliza's point about stages of life hit me that way. There are different stages, and our needs and priorities change -- and so they should. In fact, I've already made choices that a younger woman might consider "abdication" - but that make perfect sense for me.

But whatever age we are, we can engage with life in a positive way, or not. I suppose that is what Lyn and Diane were talking about.

And Eliza, my mother is another one who wears her elastic waist pants yet chooses her necklaces with great care. And I love her for that.

As a 60 year-old, I do not define myself as old or elderly, but I will concede to "older". It's just our changing perspective as we age; definitely up until about age 40 I considered the 50s and up to be hopelessly old, but now that I'm here I'm quite content with my life and have moved up the definition of old. Fortunately most of us here on YLF are just still dealing with vanity issues and sore feet.

About five years ago I was walking in the neighborhood with my 85 year-old mother and reached out my hand to pet a cat, when it turned around and I saw it was pretty ancient and grizzled so I pulled my hand back and startled, said "oh, it's old!", to which my mother snarled "you mean, like 85?" She had me at that one!

Gingko!! Love what your mother said!

I'm almost 50 and I guess I still refer to frumpy looks as "OL". It's just a good descriptor for me, I kind of think of that "Madge" character on the greeting cards when I think of that style....

I think when people say you look younger than 50 they mean you look good for your age, compared to most. I don't mind that at all.

I really do enjoy all the tools available to me these days to feel youthful and fresh. Haircolor, line filler, exercise, makeup, bring it on! Clothes and attitude are huge.

I don't feel freaked to be 50. I am grateful! I love life! I hope that shows!

In some respects this is about our own personal biases (do we exercise a form of conscious or unconscious discrimination?) but, it is also about the limits of our vocabulary or language when we are trying to express ourselves.

I like terms like vibrant, current, stylish, animated, happy, beautiful, etc. but even these terms have to be put in context because what I might find is beautiful might not be your idea of what is beautiful or beautiful in a societally conventional way. We are also conditioned to see some things as attractive and others as not. Isn't that a bit what happens in fashion. (Just think of those crazy McQueen runway shows, and half the spreads in Vogue. Beautiful? Horrific? Original? Meh?)

An 'older' face and body can be considered beautiful, but do YOU desire that kind of beauty? Character? Originality? Amongst celebrities I prefer an Emma Thompson to a Nicole Kidman, and IRL I would not trade out of who and what I am for any other (not even Jennifer Anniston!)

BTW, I am sure we have all had (and will have again) our celebrity moments, when a little extra effort nets a 'd*#n I look good!' And we are every bit as over the top gorgeous as a red-carpet-ready celebrity. Considering the volume of fab WIW pics already posted - selfies taken with phones, and pads, and in questionable lighting, and still killer, I KNOW this is so,

I was thinking about this today, because there is definitely a set of items that I think we can all agree are, "old lady," e.g. bedazzled track suits, mushroom colored orthopedic shoes, etc. So if we all associate those with old ladies, there must be a reason.

I'm wondering if it's because we lay a huge premium on youth, to the extent that young=attractive, then we push unflattering yet comfortable clothing as the "correct" choice for old ladies. Perhaps women finally say, "Well, I'm apparently past my 'sell by' date anyhow, and I'll never be considered attractive again. Might as well put on the track suit - at least it's comfy." Add to that the fact that models are all vey young, and I think a lot of people have difficulty seeing how they can possibly wear anything current/fashionable past a certain age.

Peri, I see what you're saying, although the term is not always intended as an insult. FWIW, I don't consider a woman in her 50s to be an old lady. I'm 41, and I sure as hell don't see 51 as being the beginning of old age! I've got a lot of life to live yet. I'm starting over with a second degree, and my kids are still elementary school age…I definitely feel like I'm in early middle age. "Old lady" is not supposed to happen until I'm in my eighties. At that point, I plan to be a charming old lady, and in a weird way I'm looking forward to it.

I just hope my body doesn't outlive my brain.

Man - I am so late to the old lady party!! - 53 and Lovin' every day!!

I will be 60 next month and I do not care if I am called old because I will always be old (er) than some and young (er) to some. One thing that I absolutely hate (yes, hate) is being called a girl. I have not been a girl since I turned 18. I am a woman and proud of it. Why is it ok to call women girls? Why is it that women put themselves down by calling themselves girls? To me this is ageism in the biggest form.

I'm sitting here chuckling because I never dreamed when I clicked on this thread that I would find myself, at 55, described as an "old lady" therein! LOL

Sorry, although I am a proud member of the "this is what 55 looks like" club, I'm not even close to being ready to embrace the term "old lady" for myself. I wouldn't call a 55-year-old man an "old man," and I wouldn't call a fiftysomething woman "old," either. (Although I certainly would never dream of calling a grown woman a "girl," either.)

If it floats your boat, that's fine, but I'm absolutely not there yet.

Since I can't seem to leave this thread alone, I also want to add that at no time in my life would I have considered 55 "old." Not even when I was a child or teen. Older than me, yes. But not "old."

"Old" in my mind was reserved for those in their 80s and beyond, and that's still what I think of as old, although as life expectancy changes perhaps it won't seem "old" for all that long.

Um. The last Thursday of every month Shoppers Drug Mart gives 'seniors'. 55+ 20%!off all purchases. I rope DH into a trip, with my list, coupons, and points cards. His 20%!discount goes far with my cosmetics purchases!!

Another year and a bit I can do it without his help!

Tonight I asked him what an old lady was, and he volunteered; "certainly not 50, maybe 80 ish?" Good man!

I use the term 'old' in the context of older. When I was in 6th grade I remember being called old by a kindergartner. I am sure I was old to her. So, yes to me old is where we are age wise in context to another. As I have aged and watched my friends age, I find it interesting how we age. I have some that are beautifully ageing. They are accepting of there age and place in life. They are happy and wise. Then there are those that are just ugly ageing. They are cranky 'old' people that are not happy and wish to be 20 ( or 30, or whatever) again. These are the friend I have disengaged from. 30 years ago, I would have never dreamt that I would no longer want to be around these people. We were friends for life. I think my 'oldness' has given me the wisdom to stay away from the negative people as I am a glass half full person and do not want to waste the time I have left.

I also think my health issues affect how I vies my 'old' self . I was 29 when I had my first stroke and was hospitalized in the stroke ward. Based on my condition, this made perfect sense. Based on my age, though, I was on a floor where the average age was 70. At the time I wondered why they did not have a 20's ward like they have a children's ward. After the 2nd stroke I decided I just had 'old' innards and I had to accept the fact and make the best of it. Based on this context, I am very glad to be considered an 'old woman'. I almost did not make it.

Like Suz, I can't leave this thread alone now that I've found it.

To get back to first-wave feminism for a minute, Gloria Steinem famously said "This is what 40 looks like," and Carol Hanisch famously said "the personal is political."

So on the one hand, one could argue that it's fine to embrace the term "old lady" for oneself if one finds it empowering. That's part of a long tradition of oppressed groups embracing pejorative terms and finding that empowering. See, most famously and controversially, African American rappers and others embracing the reviled "n-word."

But... I think any time we append a modifier to the term "woman," and any time we use the word "lady" at all, but especially with a modifier like "young" or "old," we bring up stereotypes that I personally don't want applied to me. The term "old lady" conjures up someone who is weak at best and cranky and unpleasant and frumpy at worst. None of those things apply to me, I don't want anyone to think of those things as applying to me, and rather than fight the associations I'd just as soon not use the term. The term "old woman" isn't quite as bad because at least there's room there for wisdom, as Deb points out above. But still, you don't generally hear men described as "old" until they are very very old indeed, and I'd just as soon reserve the term "old" for myself until I am very very old indeed, as well.

And I kind of think, with all love and respect to my sisters who feel differently, that embracing the term "old lady" in one's 50s and 60s and even 70s is perhaps both inaccurate and promoting outdated stereotypes and ought to be done with extreme caution.

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