I agree with TG and feel that the almost 3 years I have been on this forum have been a huge support to me and in more areas than simply fashion- thinking about the environment, family etc etc. I was warmly welcomed here and try to be welcoming to other new members- it’s just nice if they seem genuine and reveal a little about themselves and don’t try to push their own barrow and sell us something. Which has happened, but Angie, Greg and Inge do a good job of clearing the sellers out.

The big red flag for me is when I see forum post titles from unfamiliar handles that are very general questions. For instance, I’ve seen a few variations on the one that’s “what do you call this style?” These are questions that may provoke answers but no real engagement. What’s the point?

Don’t feed the trolls! That said, this corner of the internet is blessedly free of them, relatively speaking.

Blast from the past! This was MY first post to YLF 6+ years ago. A pretty common story in retrospect.

https://youlookfab.com/welookf.....d-thankyou

Carla, that was a fun read. I was reflecting earlier this evening that I generally find that first posts that start with “I’ve been lurking, and finally signed up” to be quite spot on, in terms of tone, question, and thoughtfulness. You’re such a wonderful presence, that it’s no surprise you started that way, too.

I tweaked mine a bit, it was way out of date on a few brands

I’ve left my old shopping destinations. I realise I don’t really have any favourite ones anymore. There is only Ross, and Ross is everywhere...

So is this the reason the woman saying she only has dark colors and wants to incorporate brights into her wardrobe got so few replies? I’m generally suspicious of that over-the-top soap operatic kind of angst, but hers somehow felt real to me, and I was sorry she got so little response. Maybe I was just being naive.

Of course I always report anything that makes me suspicious. Troll-feeding/giving a snappy reply might feed my ego for a second, but it also pushes the post to the top of the forum. I want to be more productive/helpful than that. Quietly reporting starts a much more effective chain of events which can remove dross from the forum, so we don’t have a bunch of fake posts with snappy comebacks clogging up the works.

I do think it’s possible to be overly protective, which is probably what’s going on with the person who periodically messages me to say stop talking, and not to post anything on threads between her and her (undefined) friends. I don’t post on her threads any more, which is a shame because we think really differently, so her posts are often challenging for me—I enjoy learning from others. But I ignore her requests to stay away from the whole group of friends, because I don’t know who she’s talking about and because I don’t think that kind of closed off hive is the purpose of the forum.

Jess, lol. I’m glad you’re here, and often find your posts to be a breath of fresh air.

ETA oh yeah—Carla’s original point. I just went and clicked on “Euro chic” in my profile. I still don’t see it, but enough other people have said that’s me that I believe you. I also added a couple of comments. I love doing archival research and tracing the development of things, so I’ve set up my style statement to make that possible. Instead of deleting the old, I put dates on entries, so it’s possible to trace the whole thing. So far there isn’t anything “past” that I violently disagree with anyway.

FWIW, the woman asking about colors seems totally legit to me.

@Fashintern - I posted this request/reminder for all folks who post on this forum and might read the thread. It is hard to respond to a request for advice from a new member without knowing at least a little bit about them, and sometimes the question posted isn’t well fleshed out. In some cases, the query is just one sentence without any context. A completed profile might lead me to believe the individual is a newbie learning to engage in a forum, and I might be more willing to respond. No information at all and a 10 minute old profile could indicate a troll, and I might report.

Updating the profile is good as well. I’m not as likely to suggest a Southern Hemisphere sister add a sweater or wear high boots when I understand her December is like a Northern Hemisphere summer or suggest designer duds for a budget fashionista.

Please be nice.

I'm not sure either what value people would see in trolling us? Access to photos maybe? Maybe there should be another level of privacy in that case?

I try to be welcoming to people, and don't want anyone genuinely interested to feel like they don't belong.

But, popping in out of nowhere with no real introduction and directing us to a link, even if benign, isn't the way to do it. Nor is asking vague questions. You don't walk into a party and first thing say, how do you like my outfit?
Maybe a good policy is to ignore posters that don't give any proper intro?

Carla, not sure what you’re asking me to “be nice” about. I think I generally am. I certainly don’t send other people nasty grams telling them their comments are dumb!

Suntiger, I agree—the links in a post by somebody who just set up a profile with no info are very suspicious, and I report them immediately, without troll-feeding. The link, much more than lack of info, is what sets off my “troll” radar. I can’t remember, but I might not even had any info in my profile my first few posts. I was looking for help with what my son & I should wear to a wedding. I explained the location of the wedding and the dress code, but didn’t think things like my location mattered. The language and even many of the themes of the forum were largely foreign to me. After I saw what a great place it is and was warmly welcomed by quite a few people, and received wonderful assistance with my dilemma, I decided to stick around. That’s when I filled in my profile info. Some people are here because they have always loved fashion and want a place to talk about it. Should fashion dummies like me be banned? At least one person says yes. What sort of “additional security” do you propose? I can’t think of anything that can’t be faked online.

Christina, I saw that she later got several replies that were much better than mine! At the time I posted, there were none, and she was about to slide off the first page. I thought somebody needed to say something, or she’d get no reply at all. I’m glad others followed with stronger answers. I do think it’s interesting that what looked like a borderline case to me (like I said, I did believe her, but her message seemed very close to fake to me) seems to have struck a strongly sympathetic cord in others who like to take it upon themselves to keep out the riffraff. We clearly have different ideas of what constitutes “riffraff”. That’s a great example of why I think we should be alerting Angie, Greg, and Inge to fishy posts, instead of trying to deal with them ourselves (also because they are the only ones who can remove a problematic post instead of bumping it to the top).

Just updated Was thinking another level before people can see our pics, primarily. Off to work, back later!

ST, yes, but what? Even if they asked people to submit their legal IDs, those could be faked.

How about needing to update (anonymized) photos oneself before getting to see others? This again could easily be faked of course.

Implementing more and stricter rules to the forum would give a different and less relaxed vibe.. The vibe around here is part of the charm of this wonderful corner of the internet. Agree that what we have is something lovely and unique. And that the sum of the parts make the whole.

Thanks for the reminder to update our profiles. I have allowed my hair to return to its' natural color (grey) over the last 18 months. Part of this process has been getting it cut very short. My old profile picture no longer looked like me.

Molly Mac- your hair looks great. Fabulous cut!

Carla- I am having such a good time reading everyone’s updated profiles. Thanks for starting this thread!

Kathie and Mollie Mac, thanks for updating your pix. Those randomly generated flowers have confused me many times! I’m simply not good at names; having a unique visual to attach to a person (a cutting board, a pet, whatever) makes it so much easier. I’m not good at faces either, but recognize most around here immediately. The red shoes, for me, can be just as helpful, particularly if they connect to something about the poster.

Been away for Thanksgiving and am now home. It never actually occurred to me that not filling out the profile would/could somehow be interpreted as shady.

I want to emphasize that simply not having a completed profile is not a red flag. I don’t often click on members’ profiles. However, when there is a spate of new posters all asking vague questions about something as basic as “business casual” with 1) no introduction and no context, 2) no participation on other members’ threads, 3) no participation on Angie’s blog posts, 4) no subsequent answers in their thread that explain their interest, and 5) weird spelling and grammatical errors, I get a strong whiff of troll. Any one of those things isolated are not necessarily cause for concerns but put it all together and yeah, I’m highly skeptical.

As for what the goal may be, I don’t really know. But these days there is a LOT of noise being generated by troll farms and bots — some from Russia, some from other places. It’s not all political either. But it is designed to create distrust and disharmony. It looks like even in a space as seemingly safe as YLF, it can be effective. I know I’m speculating here, but it’s not as far-fetched as some may think. There are some very compelling reads out right now about how memes and other seemingly benign viral campaigns are being used against us. I’ll try to share some links when I’m at my computer later.

Intrigued & interested to read the articles.

Janet, interesting that the #1 thing that sets my radar off doesn’t register on yours. If there is a link to any product, no matter if the person writes that they think this is the most fantastic thing ever or if they ask advice about it, then I look to see who they are. If it’s their first comment (or if they’ve mentioned the thing in comments on other people posts), I have never seen any info in a profile. I report those post-haste. I don’t comment, because I don’t want to bump it to the top, but it seems that Greg, or who ever makes the call, agrees with me because they vanish. I agree with you about the bots & trolls being used against us, but I’ve always read this activity as mostly benign marketing by a person who didn’t take the time to read the rules of the places they posted their ad.

FI, links like that (omg look at the amazing deals I got at cheapdressesdotcom or some such) are so obviously spam that I didn’t even bother to list them. I immediately report those as spam and they disappear from the forum. What I’m talking about here is a different thing.

Janet, interested to read those articles too! It's annoying but also quite fascinating, and information about their tactics is surely their worst enemy.

Jenna, I hadn't thought of it either - buy as Janet says, it's the combination I think ... Like a new profile with no info plus odd activity on the forum ...

@Janet - yes. I heard a radio show about what you describe. Just the first paragraph of this says a lot.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

There is a pattern here on YLF. They seem to come out more when Angie goes on a trip or is occupied with something special.

HOWEVER, the request to update profiles was not just about trolls.

Janet - interesting comments regarding disruptors. (So?) . I’d like to read more about this ....

There is also an old, ongoing thread where people can introduce themselves. I believe Nicole started it years ago. Every once in a while I read the latest ones. There are actually a number of people who use that as an intro. Some are like me and don’t post a lot but they enjoy the forum and wade in from time to time.

Fashintern - you often make references to members here who message you , tell you not to engage with their friends , ( and now you have members engaging with trolls to feed their own ego , and other assorted miserable things ) . This is in many threads , not just this one . I wonder if it’s better to not refer to members this way - these comments leave me , for one , at a loss . Do you want response or acknowledgment or advice or commiseration ? And who are “these people “ and “ certain members” ? There seems to be a tone of petulance - and maybe I’m better off ignoring it , but you do have a lot to say here . What kind of engagement are you looking for with these remarks ? And lastly - there are no *fashion dummies* - simply many people ( not just here ) who are uneducated and inexperienced in the world of fashion and design . Just as there are many inexperienced and uneducated in woodworking No one is a dummy and everyone is welcome , especially those eager to learn

Good reminder, Carla, to update our profiles every now and then because a lot does change in a decade.

Over the years the YLF forum has been blessedly free of trolls and ugly comments because everyone from Greg and Angie on down has been diligent about keeping the atmosphere warm and welcoming but always respectful. Janet’s list of questionable behaviors is very close to mine because, unlike a fairly obvious marketing-driven post, those behaviors are ones which are contrary to the atmosphere which Angie strives to create on this site. We can ask questions, have different opinions and interests, and look for different things from this site, but it’s both rude and disrespectful to barge into a group expecting to be included without offering anything in return. The “waiting period” before posting pictures is a newcomer’s chance to indicate a willingness to respond to others’ needs and questions before expecting the same in return.


I’ve always thought participation in the YLF forum was a privilege, not a right. Picking fights with other members, asking without giving, and not respecting the forum’s diversity are not in keeping with why most of us seek out this corner of the internet. I’m thankful for forum members, like Carla and Janet, who care enough to keep these kinds of disruptions to a minimum.

Thanks for the reminder Carla - just updated mine

Some of the reading I mentioned earlier. Beware, some of this gets into current US politics, but it's important. No matter where we are on the political spectrum, we are being played. This is a long, long game.

https://www.technologyreview.c.....tsKFeQ5rU8

https://www.rollingstone.com/p.....rence-twit

https://www.washingtonpost.com.....ere-still-

https://www.voanews.com/usa/pe.....-us-troops

Potential for digital distraction techniques being employed to affect elections:

https://www.vanityfair.com/new.....-digital-d

And if you want to start digging deeper:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/rese.....tvvEE6huUD