I really need to give up on the idea that I am going to find the right x-over pants. I couldn't resist these, and they fit, but they just don't look good. They are much easier to wear than the R13 denim, and probably would look great on someone a bit taller and more hourglassy than me. I have had them sitting around making me feel bad for a month now unworn. And unfortunately final sale.
I'd say they are TTS with some built in slouch. Asking $50 plus shipping. Preference to active members and veterans!