Thank you all for weighing in. This is both helpful, and not helpful. Ha!
Sharan, Angie: I think you are dead right -- I require something more structured or "firm" somehow -- although why, I can't say, and Gaylene might be right that this structure might compete with other EF layers if I had them. The problem is that it's hard to find the structure without a front fly and front fly is what I don't want if I am wearing a knit top. Like, not at all.
I don't know how those of you who wear zip flies wear them with long knit tops over them -- maybe your tummies are concave? I admit my waist is not what it once was, but I'm not a true apple shape, and yet I find the bumpy fly look unappealing. I can wear a very oversize knit over a fly front, or I can wear a woven top over a front fly (or, for that matter, I can wear an oversize knit over a woven top, LOL) -- but if the knit is more form fitting or even just fluid, the bumps drive me batty.
Sterling, I agree these pants look better than my mother's really inexpensive Land's End pants. But even hers looked pretty good right out of the box; it was after extensive wear that they lost their shape.
Gaylene, I hear you. I do have one EF top that I'll show in another post (another NAS find) and I think it works with a different pair of leggings. But I might be wrong about that. I'll show it tomorrow if I can get some decent pics.
Carter, this is where I get super confused. These pants feel more "legging" like than some leggings (to me). They have no pocket or detailing on the back -- I'd as soon show my bottom in these as I would in my undies, to tell you the truth. How do they feel different than leggings to you? Or maybe we have been trying on different types of leggings?
Joyce, "tights that fit looser on the ankles." You nailed it!!
Angie, you DID (no doubt wisely) suggest a sleeker ponte pant to me during NAS. ha! The trouble was, they were out of my size at the time...and those pants had a zip fly. I think you suggested the ones Sharan pointed out. I also read reviews of the Kuts quite avidly but again, my size was gone by the time I got wise to this need, and anyway, the fly was zip front.
Grrrr.
Gail -- now, here is a topic for another thread. What IS a tunic? To me, that oversize sweater is "short" tunic length, which I consider to be anything from covers-the-bum to mid-thigh or a bit below. But lately I have been wondering if I really understand what tunic length is. Hmmm.
JAIleen, maybe I should try another cut also.
Lisa, I agree about the dress being too...something...for these pants or legging or tights with baggy ankles, or whatever the heck they are. But, recall, per previous comments, I was supposed to try styling the dress with leggings, and to me, these things are kind of like leggings.
I have a feeling I'm a bit obtuse on this whole legging/ pant issue!! I certainly can't tell anyone not to wear leggings as pants since I can't even tell the difference. The girls in my college city are safe from my judgement.
Anyway, I agree -- these grey things are not quite the right pant/ legging for the Vince dress, if I'm to wear the dress with pants/ leggings. And I also think the right footwear is key, so I was trying my new boots and old (but still to my mind, very cool) booties.
Peri, thank you so much. I am SO glad these worked for you!! I think they look like real pants on you and Carter but my legs are too thick maybe so on me they look more like tights with loose ankles!!