Oh! Thanks SO much for the feedback Angie, I really appreciate it! I am looking at these as dropped-crotch tailored trousers, not slouchy since as you said they really aren't. But maybe that isn't too fab for me, or maybe that's just not a thing (dunno why I feel like it's going to be)? Wish I could figure out the appeal to me (perhaps it really just is the step up in quality). They are no longer available, so a size up isn't an option unfortunately...