DEE I like where this is going for me. I see the word Dramatic replacing my word Grownup. I was using the word Grownup to get rid of the sloppy that often is associated with Tomgirl. So maybe Dramatic Tomgirl, and really hone in on the sleekness, patterns, materials, etc of Dramatic. This would be future goals. Not sure it works in everyday life, a bit like KET experienced with Dolce Vita, but again Classic is my core and I can concentrate on dramatic accessories and the like in the extreme weather. (Nothing dramatic about a puffer jacket ;)). That said I do have a short navy puffer with a very interesting high neckline (it probably is dramatic and that is why I love it).

Also, very astute noticing that Vivien Leigh was dressed in character in the pic example.

SAL I did the test at https://gabriellearruda.com/. She herself is a FN and has an extensive take on it. I can definitely see you and your outfits in many of her own examples.

Pardon me, just lurking but I saw my name pop up, LOL! Thanks, Jenni!

I took a couple of Kibbe quizzes years ago and never found much satisfaction in the process — indeed my answers seemed to land me all over the place.

I’m not symmetrical at all. I have defined curves even when I am at a low weight. I have height but on a smallish frame — very slim hands and feet, a very narrow back, but wide hips. I seem to remember the Kibbe answers recommended I wear things that play up the curves. I don’t really love doing that — I prefer to play against my body type a little bit because I like a bit of edge or androgyny in my style.

I think the height cutoff thing is a bit strict. I’ve always fudged my height up a little, to be honest. I say 5’7” for convenience sake and because it confirms perception. In actuality I don’t think I ever topped 5’6.75”. Now I’ve lost a little bit of height and am closer to 5’6”. But I think having long legs enhances an overall taller perception. So I believe if all the other markers of a person’s appearance seem to support a certain category, I can’t see a half inch being a breaking factor.

Just my humble opinion! I still don’t know what Kibbe would make of me.

LISE- Even when choosing a puffer it should be more streamlined and not oversized or voluminous. Sounds like your short navy puffer may fit the bill.

JANET- You’re so right , it is hard to self analyze Kibbe body types. There are plenty of little aspects that can easily confuse us. For me, no matter how often I took the various quizzes, I always landed on Dramatic Classic. I'm 5ft 7 inches, have some angular features and I'm pretty symmetrical and proportional. Also, none of the other kibbe types describes me this well. However, I dont always agree or want to wear everything they recommend but it can serve as helpful guideline for anyone who is interested in this stuff.

JANET I had the same experience as you with previous tests but this one seemed to flow easier. Maybe it was my frame of mind. Not overthinking it as I have in the past.. The cut off is 5.6 which I am (5.61 to be exact). My height is in my legs. I have very narrow wrists and ankles, small hands. The majority of my answers were Classic. The few that were not were mostly Dramatic and 1 other which I cannot remember. You definitely have a little more Yang than Yin I think. Maybe you too are a Dramatic Classic. Alot of your clothing choices match Dramatic Classic even though you do love certain florals, but your florals have an edge. Maybe you are a Soft Dramatic. .https://gabriellearruda.com/ki.....yle-guide/. I think a lot of it matches for you. Over 5.5 feet but not prescriptive, looks good in drapey soft fabrics, bootcut jeans, bold jewlery pieces, larger florals/patterns. Hhhmm...

I believe heights are more general guidelines, than written in stone. Kibbe originally typed Rihanna as Theatrical Romantic, even though she is actually taller than the range. And I think her may have changed, as she's matured through the years, and also with her public-facing brand. Which is an interesting idea, that one might flow into another type over time, as the face and the body takes on different contours.

For my part, I go back through the Kibbe quiz periodically (I have the link saved someplace), and I always come up Theatrical Romantic, which really resonates. I feel most comfortable when I have something sharp and defined, and something soft in my outfit, and when my hair has some kind of wave or curl.

I don't always follow the 'type', but if I'm feeling lost and in need of clarity, I just search out my Kibbe type on Pinterest, and it's useful in helping me get specific with my outfits.

I think anytime you find a tool or an idea that gives you creative inspiration and peaceful grounding, then you should add it to your arsenal.

MARY BETH very interesting about a type possibly changing over time! I was just looking at Theatrical Romantic, and yes I clearly see it in the outfits you post. You always look authentic and confident so it must be correct.

I’m so confused because when I do any Kibbe test, I get a Dramatic result. But I’m petit and surely should be a Gamine. Maybe I see myself as a taller woman?

IRINA I am smiling at your last comment. ☺️
I think you do need to be fairly tall to be a Dramatic, some less so, like Soft Dramatic. I don't think being petite guarantees you are a Gamine either.

IRINA- if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say you're likely a flamboyant gamine. I'm seeing compact stature with some angularity. Think cropped boxy jackets, sharp lines, cropped trousers, bold graphic jewelry. These are some of the elements that compliment this kibbe type.

Dee, you probably right. Lots of similarities between recommended styles for a Flamboyant Gamine and my own preferences. I wore more tailored, close fitted silhouettes when I was younger. And always loved anything cropped So, that settles it!

How fun!!! I am excited with what you will find as you experiment and try some things out.

I am a Soft Dramatic in Kibbe. I have had times where Kibbe has felt stifling and I had to walk away to reconnect with my heart and gut again. And then times where the Kibbe type has made sense and helped me. I still have to listen to my heart first and foremost or the joy of style is lost and I find myself rebelling, feeling boxed in, frustrated, etc.

Dolce Vita... oh yes! My DV experiment was a huge learning moment. On paper (and Pinterest) it ticked all the boxes, even for Kibbe. BUT it didn't tickle my heart. Parts of it work but not everyday work. I like how you put that, Lise.

It sounds like the Kibbe quiz gave you some clarity--a good thing! And confirmation of your tendencies and thoughts is always rewarding. I don't necessarily see the need to replace grown-up with dramatic in your moniker. To me, grown-up has an element of sophistication that falls short of "dramatic." A dramatic tomgirl, to me, would be a more exaggerated boyish look.

I tried going through the process on Kibbe's Facebook page, where he put all the quizzes and steps--a very elaborate, time-consuming process, which I admit I didn't complete thoroughly. I didn't watch all the films that were assigned, for example. I came up with Dramatic Classic for myself. I didn't see a minimum height for that category, though I did for Dramatic (and I didn't meet it, whatever it was). I recall Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis as one of the DCs that Kibbe identified, and I felt that my build kind of aligned with hers.

I do find I feel most comfortable in silhouettes that follow the DC pattern; I am finding it helpful to think in terms of straight up-and-down styles and lines. And a fluid fit, for the most part; a little oversize is good, but too much is overwhelming. If I veer too far into styles with a flounce or flap factor, I feel a bit like a fish out of water. In this regard, the Kibbe system has helped me cull out and avoid styles that I'm less happy wearing.

But this doesn't mean that I dress super classic, or dramatic. Those words mean something in the Kibbe world that they don't in the general fashion and style world. Or that's my take, anyway. Stripes are not a favorite pattern for me, and high contrast feels similarly very off, with my coloring. And my personality wants some edge, androgyny, moodiness, and creativity in my style.

Interesting discussion and fun! Lise, this may be very helpful to you, going forward, and help you resolve a few lingering questions about your style. It if feels affirming (your DC type) then it is -- and I would say, experiment with some of the recommendations over the next year and see how they feel -- much as Ket did with the Dolce Vita theme -- and you will know one way or the other for sure. I really like what Dee said about how to achieve the "tomgirl" or "edge" without being RATE for a true dramatic classic look. A more polished tomgirl. So maybe "tomgirl" isn't the word you want any more? You will find the right words.

I have nodded along with various people's self-typologies. It's tough to type yourself, for sure! I'm definitely no expert on this, but I agree that Dee is DC, and Jenni soft gamine and Sal Flamboyant Natural and Jaime Flamgam, and Irina I think is possibly Flam gam also, although I'm not 100% convinced on that. I have always thought Runcarla *might* be a dramatic classic or some version of natural but not sure which one....in any case, it's really only helpful if it's helpful (if that makes sense!) and for some, I think it can be a real lightbulb and for others, not so important. It may depend on what point in one's style journey one makes the discovery or categorization....it could be really helpful right before a major shopping season, for example, to steer one away from details one *likes" but really, more on other people than oneself. Especially in a period when the overall style vibe is not too conducive to one's best details.

Anyway. I've judged myself as flamboyant gamine, possibly incorrectly, but I've a hunch it's right. I need the yang, need some drama, Whether or not I'm strictly correct, thinking of myself this way helped steer me away from lots of ruffles and flounces in tops when those were in vogue -- they have never felt right on me and while I enjoy them on others, I won't wear them happily.

Suz, fwiw, I've been in the Kibbe groups and such for several years. I strongly suspect you are a flamboyant gamine too! You have right structure and vibe for FG! Staccato lines. Drama and yang. Even your love of garçon is very FG, at least gamine in general. I think you're instinct is 100% correct!

Thanks for the link to Gabrielle Aruba. Her style suggestions for herself are things that also work for me. We have a similar shape although different colouring.

Irina - I wonder if you are Dramatic Classic too? Or Flamboyant Gamine. I think you can interpret them in different ways - flamboyant can mean bold colour or shape or maybe accessories. You probably go for the silhouette whereas I might go for the colour.

Janet - my guess for you would be Soft Dramatic. Just my best guess. I see you as dramatic but with curve. And while you lean more into edgy and modern looks you can wear glamour very well.

Gabrielle Aruda is very good, I have spent a lot of time on her site previously.
I would just like to say that I didn’t end up believing I was a Theatrical Romantic like Vivien Leigh- that was just what I *wanted* to be when I first tried the questionnaires a few years ago. I agree that Mary Beth is one. I fit better with soft gamine, slightly more of a yin-yang mixture but more yin.
Olga Brylinska has another interesting website.

Suz, oh, no! I thought I’m sorted with a Flamboyant Gamine!
Sal, I’m 160 cm or about 5’3” on a good day (probably less as I aged), probably not tall enough for anything Dramatic
Maybe, I’m not a Kibbe type at all! LOL

Actually Irina it’s the second word that has the height restriction, so in Dramatic Classic one is actually a Classic, just with a Dramatic modifier. I was getting muddled in my first response on this thread, to Lise. Dramatic is a modifier to Classic. Classics do not, I think, need to be as tall as Dramatics.
FlamGam is just a short term for Flamboyant Gamine, which I think Suz still suggests you might be.
I think at 5 foot 3 you do need to be one of several shorter types. But if it doesn’t resonate, just ignore it!
Those of us who like it finds it helps us but not totally.

So Jenni and Lise, Kibbe defines part of your "ideal style" by your height? And the other part by your facial features, bone structure, and the rest of your body's proportions?

Jenni NZ, well I’m a tall woman trapped in a short body! There is no Kibbe type for it.
My preferred silhouette is oversized and clearly works the best for a taller woman but I don’t let it stop me! LOL
Lise, so sorry for hijacking your thread!

IRINA- I think you can do oversized as a Flamboyant Gamine- it just needs to be structured oversized, not shapeless and slouchy. Nevertheless, its up to you whether or not this is useful. Remember too, that our personalities also play an important role in our style preferences, so it goes beyond just our height, bone structure and proportions.
ETA: Besides why worry about it, you've got great style already.

Yes Angie, he takes height into account a lot. There are upper height limits, so if you are above I think it’s 5 foot 5 inches then you can’t be a Romantic, Theatrical Romantic, Flamboyant Gamine or Soft Gamine. Because being petite is a major part of those Image Identities. Although even then he has apparently made exceptions like Audrey Hepburn as a Flamboyant Gamine, as she was I think 5 foot 7 inches. And then yes, facial features, bone structure, proportions etc. Not the “fruit” shapes, other things.
I think you would be likely to be one of the more “balanced” Image Identities, possibly some sort of Classic but I haven’t tried very hard to type you!
Because there seem to be few options for being tall then that’s why Sal thought she could only be one of 3 sorts.

I think Angie's Flamboyant Gamine (despite being taller)-- like Audrey -- or Dramatic Classic. The two types share quite a lot in fact. Asymmetry and/or the strong mix of yin and yang characteristics (along with petite height as a rule) make for the gamine.

ETA, thanks Ket. When I do the test (I redid the one Lise linked to) I'm still all over the map in my answers....I have an angular face, shortish limbs, but muscular flesh on my rather petite frame, hands and feet short and broad not long and narrow, maybe appear shorter than I am? -- not sure -- anyway, it is hard to say, but I'm not symmetrical enough for a classic, so by a process of elimination I come up with flamboyant gamine.

IRINA why not do the test I posted and see how it pans out? Now I am super curious what you are :). Btw
No such thing as hijacking this thread, we all having a conversation which is fab, except I'm sleeping through most of it (due to different time zones) lol. Please carry on.

SHARAN I think you are correct about Grownup Tomgirl and Dramatic Tomgirl being quite different. I will stick with Grownup Tomgirl for now and see if and how the experimenting plays out. I won't be changing much, just being more conscious of my already preferred styling. I have always thought that some of yours and my style intersects.

JENNI clever you in getting that height is not an issue for a Classic. I missed that but it makes sense. Will check out Olga as well. Thanks!

ANGIE are you going to do the test just for fun? You obviously don't need any style tips....

IRINA I remember that even though you like oversized pieces, fit is still important to you. So I think you may still qualify as a Flamboyant Gamine. As DEE said you already have a very good handle on your style preferences, so no need to change a thing.

SUZ yes good advice. Experimenting and time will tell. FG seems totally you.

KET thanks for the encouragement. Yes I will never get too boxed in to one ideology. I am too much of a rebel by nature :). Soft Dramatic sounds very you.