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Jenniferblue

. I've been following La Fraancaise and I don't know what happened. Please explain how she was Moderated OUT.
I enjoyed the challenge she provided to YLF.
I don't shy away from uncomfortable subjects.
What oh waht happened that was sooooo offputting fort the YLF c ommunity?

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Latest reply was from velvetychocolate

Mo

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I'm obviously not Angie or Greg, but I saw the thread that got closed, and was one of the first to comment on it. I believed then, as I still do, that it was overly dramatic in it's delivery. and I'm sure that tone, and not the subject matter at all, was what was off putting to most here who try to civilly discuss and understand views that they may not share them selves.
Not sure that she was moderated out but maybe I am mistaken there?

Isis

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Not Angie or Greg either, obviously!

I've seen threads are closed (rarely) when the discussion is no longer productive, and I think that's what happened.

Also, I've seen members ask for their names to be removed, and Greg and Angie always honor that request.

Very different from "moderated out". Jenniferblue, I think you can feel free to raise topics for discussion about any subject. I may be biased, but I think this is the best forum for interesting discussion on the planet!

Sylvie

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When Greg closed the thread he said that it was no longer productive and that if people had any questions, they should feel free to PM himself or Angie.

Jennifer, you may want to send them a PM directly.

Greg

Jenniferblue, LF was not "moderated out of the forum". The only moderation action we took was to close that thread mentioned above.

La Francaise must have deleted her own account. There is an option to do so from the profile page.

Gaylene

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I just want to say how happy I was that Greg closed the thread. Although I share many of La Francaise's concerns about consumerism in the developed world, I think the discussion had degenerated into personal attacks. What was happening in that thread was making me wonder if I wanted to stay on as a participant in YLF.

BIG THANK YOU TO GREG!!!

MsMary

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Apparently LF felt her work here was done.

Laura

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MaryK!

And a huge thank you to Angie and Greg for keeping everyone here safe and happy. Best forum on the planet!

biscuitsmom

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I was very happy to see Greg had closed the thread and glad to see Laura's (and others) response to her accusatory, overly dramatic tone and her lack of respect for others...personally, Im not gonna miss it-lol Laura is spot-on again about this forum Add my thanks to Angie and Greg!

Sveta

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I missed that tread but I think I have an idea how it may have gone wrong. I was wondering too what happened to LF and was concerned that Greg and Angie just blocked her account from the forum. I am glad to hear that it is just one thread which was closed and it was her decision to remove her account (I should have known better :-)). I think it was getting a bit dramatic and judgmental for comfort...
I agree with Laura - the best forum ever!

Anonymous

It did almost seem to me that she WANTED to create chaos and end up no longer here. Some people like to feel like a victim.

Jyoti

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... Is it bad that I want to see that thread now out of morbid curiosity and because I apparently love internet drama? Yes, yes it is. I blame being on the internet too much for my own good.

Also MaryK, I AM DYING. xD

And this is the end of my totally non-productive post on this subject.

Jenniferblue

Greg,
A big thank you for being honest and communicating the process that transpired while I was away from YLF. Honestly, I have mixed feelings. I wouldn't wnat anything or anyone to be detrimental to the Forum however this particular contributor raised
some very soul searching questions. I don't think many of us will forget her concerns
regardless of how the offensive language.
She did take us to task.
If you read The Vivienne Files, she also asks us to be aware of our acquisitions.
Tolerance and be strong enough to accept the part we play .
I think we've lost an interesting viewpoint.

Angie

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La Francaise is not here to defend herself, so I think it's best if we move on.

We'll leave this thread open for now in case anyone has further questions on the matter.

Let's get back to fashion and style!

biscuitsmom

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I dont think anyone objected to the points she raised, it was her tone that some found offensive....

Anonymous

In retrospect, I got a little agitated. I'm not proud of my behavior and I would like to apologize to the forum at large and to anyone who might have taken offense to anything I said. I care too much about this community to stay quiet, so the "dark side" came out.

... but yes, she seems to have gone off to greener pastures. I really hope she was real ! She had some good points, she really did !

Isabel

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BM...that is an excellent point. I agreed with much of what she said and I mostly "ignore" tone because I can't read into it. I really like Angie's perspective on it. Culture can really play a factor here, too. English not being my first language has some times had me saying some VERY bizarre things. Though I say them in Portuguese and French too...hmmmmmmmm.

BTW : I have been gently "tapped" myself....LOL !! So it happens to the "best" of us ; maybe not the best dressed, but at least the good-intentioned. : )

Isabel

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Zap..you are one cool fashionista !!!

Deborah

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Zap I read your comments with interest last night and I did not think you said anything that would offend. I appreciated your view point and the points you made. I think that we all feel very protective of this amazing community we are part of. *Hug*

Jenniferblue

Angie and Greg,
Thank you for explaining the circumstances to me and the YLF Community. Often, there is a gap in communication and exchange. You both have my sincere thanks for offering me an honest account of what transpired..
Sincere thanks. ( I was aware of the tone but still befuddled about the process .)
JB

Isabel

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Jennifer, I just wanted to say that we have had similar conversations on the forum before. Last year or so, we talked about water usage for cotton. We once had a discussion on bamboo clothing and rayon ( strictly from an environmental perspective ). We have discussed religion, modesty and style. We had a discussion about Galliano after he made racial slurs and was charged and whether that mattered in purchasing decisions. We have talked about wastefulness.

Our very own CocoLion embarked on an odyssey to buy only American and to be more environmentally aware in her clothing choices. And she wrote about it.

These issues are vitally important to many people here, so thankfully, LF's voice was not an anomaly that we will never hear again.

I feel very comfortable with Angie and Greg deciding where the line is. I have crossed it but they have always welcomed my contributions...some times on the same subject but in a different way.

I am glad that you are here and that these things matter to you.

MNsara

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Angie and Greg, thank you -- for being in charge of your forum I know any decision like that is not taken lightly and I appreciate how hard you work to keep this forum welcoming and warm for its members.

I also appreciate your willingness to share what has transpired.

I also agree: back to fashion and style As soon as I finish this (exhausting) work week, I'll be asking about my S vs M space-age sweater. LOVE IT!!

Janet

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I just assumed she removed herself from the forum. It's a shame, since people weren't really disagreeing with her overall points, it's just that her tone was overly confrontational, and it seemed no answer except unqualified agreement would make her happy.

velvetychocolate

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I didn't read much of the thread in question - but I think it's normal that once in a (hopefully rare) while, a thread has to be closed. It's really only because a discussion has become a bit too heated and uncomfortable, and that's all it really is. Somehow, the discussion gets de-railed, people get hurt feelings, and things go a bit haywire. It doesn't sound like anyone got "banned" or anything of the kind, just a smart decision to close a thread that was going a bit weird.

I think it was very wise to just close it. I don't think this means people can't talk about these issues in the future, but it was just this one particular thread where it was getting a bit too heated.

I'm glad it was closed, and *not* because I didn't like the general idea behind the discussion, but because sometimes these things need to be done to keep things positive and helpful.

Anyway, none of my business really - but I wanted to say "smart move" to Angie and Greg for closing that one particular thread.

In the meantime, it was an excellent discussion topic - and I'm sure that we could all learn a few things from each other - it's just that sometimes a thread will go a bit weird, and sometimes it's necessary to close it.

I wanted to post to that thread, but when things got a bit funny, I didn't feel comfortable. Like I said, great discussion and all kinds of interesting things to talk about ...but I think it helps to keep an open mind?

Never mind all of that - suffice to say - good job on closing that thread - it was the right thing to do, given the circumstances.

Jenniferblue

Thank you all for your responses and for filling in the blanks about this out of the ordinary situation.
While I respect decision to close the thread, I would be completely dishonest to if I didn't say that LF raised uncomfortable but important and serious issues. I won't soon forget this poster.
OK on to fashion and trends.........

Jonesy

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Gaylene, I'm sorry if you felt like there were personal attacks against LF. I truly don't believe any longtime posters were trying to attack LF. As members who have made, typically, almost daily contributions to this forum for 2-3 years (or longer, in Laura's case), we do have an investment in it and want to help foster an open, warm community focused on style and fashion. As Isabel points out, we certainly do not shy away from political discussions related to fashion and style, but we do value certain norms of communicating.

Aziraphale

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Now I'm wildly curious and wish I'd read it, along with the comments! I did open the post in question this morning, but after a couple of sentences, I saw that it exceeded my maximum word count tolerance and stopped reading.

Gaylene

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Jonesy, thanks for the response. While I had reservations about how she went about it, I did think that LF brought another dimension to the forum which I found interesting. She was provocative, but I was a bit shocked at some of the final comments on her thread before Greg shut it down. But, as Angie has requested, let's all move on.

Anonymous

Gaylene, please allow me to apologize directly to you, if my comment was one of those that shocked you.

Gaylene

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No apology needed, Zap. We all get riled up when we are defending something we love. But it has been an interesting week Now back to what we do best-- fashion and style!

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