Thanks, all. I'm having fun with these. It kind of makes up for at least four years of terrible denim shopping for me. I enjoy incorporating trendier denim into my outfits but honestly, since fall of 2019, I could not even find many satisfactory classic styles (which I also enjoy). I reverted to a favoured BF style for several years, and finally found some cropped "dad" jeans from ON that took me through last fall. But I ordered and sent back SO MANY PAIRS over the pandemic years -- some I'd seen on other forum members that looked fantastic just looked dumb on me. For some reason, I do not do well with many straight leg styles. I loved the Levis that many of you have but the fit was terrible on me. (Interestingly, I tried some Levis on in a different style my recent shopping trip as well and while they were okay, they were not great.)
oh! That i don't have to hem is another rare thrill. Some of these come in lengths and some are meant to be cropped or the new shorter full length and some are petite.
Indigoprint, I'm 5'4" with a long rise for my height but a short waist. The rises on these vary some. The manufacturers do give measurements but they are not always super accurate, or rather, they may be accurate. for a particular size (not always one's own size).
Anyway -- the Everlane's and the ON have a 12" front rise and come to my navel.
The Paige and the GAPs have an 11.5" front rise. The Paige come just as high on the Everlane's (so it's not only a question of rise length, I guess, but other factors that influence fit). The GAPs are a smidge lower. They are petites. Normally I can't wear petite pants because the rise is too short, but on these very high rise pants it can apparently work -- barely. The problem for me is always in the back -- I can get a wedgie with a too short rise. But on these -- the wide legs makes the difference.
Lisa, you are so right about linen. I,ve had some shirts that do what you describe. I'm hoping my experience is more like Irina's but you never know.
Angie, you are so right, It's amazing how full length pants extend the leg line! I still love crops, too. Best of both worlds.
Dee, i'll be flattered when you wear the shirt combo!