Fashiontern, I wish I could suggest a magic number to you - but alas, there is no such thing. People have different wardrobe needs and wants, which is reflected in its size.

You might find these posts helpful:

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Also, if you do move to Germany, you will need a commuting wardrobe that goes the distance across four seasons, which I suspect you are well aware of. Autumn and Winter weather will become your dominant seasons. Spring can feel like Winter.

So many great answers, thank you, everyone!

Donna F, interesting point about drapey vs structured. I like to wear them together--too much structure reveals too many bumps, but all drapey makes me feel like I'm hiding in a tent. But I will think about whether I have similar kinds of divides in how I wear things.

Anne, you and I have commented before on some similarities in our approaches. Like you, I don't mind repeating outfits, and I'd rather keep items at the end of my weight range than buy more each time I go up or down. But the natural set point of your wardrobe is apparently much lower than mine. Hmm.

Emily K, thank you for pointing me to your finds and capsules! Your description of very specific activities points out the problem I'm facing--I want to be ready to move back to a country I've lived in before, maybe to a city I've lived in, maybe to an entirely different region. I know generally how to dress for the weather there, and have a general idea what my life is like, but can't predict such specifics as going out to eat in a nice restaurant once a week. In that way, deciding about my wardrobe is much more difficult than deciding, say, what kitchen items to take.

Rachylou, as long as we aren't talking about huge, bulky sweaters, I can pack 50 things in a large suitcase. The last time we did this, I paid $1000 in luggage overages to take a bunch of rubbermaid-type totes and about the same to have a pallet shipped back. I don't know what we'll be doing yet--it depends in part on how many things I decide to take. I'd love to do the holding zone thing you describe--I think that's the best way to do any move--but across the ocean is too far to trek for a shirt or a frying pan. I am so with you on the style statements! I'm starting to realize that I like contrast--some structure combined with something floaty or drapey; a soft thing toughened up by something RATE. etc. That only increases the amount of things that "work" for me. It is a little easier now than it used to be, because fewer things look good on me now.

Staysfit, great point about things were I "feel an obligation to wear them, because I have them already, they are
nice, they look great, but I could easily cut them from my wardrobe and
never miss them" There are some things that don't meet Caro's 9 out of 10 requirement even among the things that are too small for me. I keep the small sizes around to encourage myself to lose the weight, but these pieces obviously don't do that job. That's probably the best place to start. Katherine, yes, yes, yes! I find it " difficult for me to part with the pieces which have passed their prime
and it takes discipline for me to keep my wardrobe size manageable". It is very hard to distinguish between those things and Approprio's "recycled fashion from previous
eras, so I typically have quite a few vintage classics alongside the
newer stuff. I tend to hang onto things if they're really good even if
I'm not wearing them this year."


La Pedestrienne, your story about the hiking and falling in love and the move cross-country still strikes me as so romantic, in the best sense. The only part I can relate to, unfortunately, is having someone else do the packing and moving, so it's easier to just have everything tossed in the truck. Doing all this culling and sorting (I've taken over half of a neighbor's garage with some things that aren't clothing) is a drag, but I'm really looking forward to the nearly-clean slate, with only things we have affirmatively chosen on it. I expect to be doing a lot of repairs and DIY where we live, so your point about needing things that aren't "outfit" components is important.

Cindysmith, we are going through almost opposite things. I line-dry nearly everything too (DS likes his towels dried in the dryer, and if I wash more than one set of sheets, I put them in it too). Actually I don't have a line--I've just learned from Sal that I have a clothes-horse. (I call it a drying rack). Suz's starting point sounds similar, but more extreme than the storage space available in a trailer. Even though I want to be rid of the excess, I don't find the idea of leaving everything behind appealing at all. I'd rather buy furniture and build household DIYs than spend money on clothes. Jenn and Meredith, I'm not sure if you built up or down to your wardrobe sizes, but you both seem to be really comfortable with your wardrobe, which is the place I hope to land.

Gigi, even though I expect to build a closet myself, I don't want it to take up that much of my living space, so storage space will certainly be a constraint. Right now I have a walk-in closet with cascading hangers. So far my feeling about them is different from what you suggest; I've always used them as part of my organization system, as far back as college, when I accused my roommate for days of not having returned a shirt she'd borrowed, until she pointed out that it had been in my closet all along--on the wrong hanger. If I were clever, I'd use them like Jane's hangers, as a way to enforce 1-in, 1-out. Maybe that's a place to start--just eliminate one multi-hanger. That would require a different categorizing system (unless I remove everything in one category), which would force me to look at everything carefully.

You all have given me much to think about, some reassurance that I'm on the right path, and a couple action items--take away 1 of each type of multi hanger (pants, shirts, skirts) worth of things that don't wow me. I don't know exactly how many things I have now, but it's over 300, across a range of sizes.

What prompted my initial post was realizing that the items I'm looking forward to after losing the weight are a lot more than I'd expected. I thought it would be around 100, but last night I counted 100 skirts, dresses, pants, and hanging shirts. Some of that culling can only take place once I'm that size, but there are others I can remove right now. I really appreciate all the comments about natural set points for wardrobe sizes, and the examples that what feels right varies from person to person.

Aside: Ha. You know what? If I were moving next June, I’d already be living out of boxes. Hahaha! I am all packed up before I even start looking for a place. Things move too fast for me when they happen. ‘In house holding zone.’ Hahahaha! I always wonder what my dog thinks.

...our first move, she started counting boxes. I know this because she started waiting for the third box to come out and down the stairs and put on the dolly before she’d come out for the walk to the car... lololol!

You know, I spent a long time in search of a magic number - because I feel like it's something I should be able to control. There are a lot of things in this world I have no control over, and I always feel like, my closet should be something I DO have control over.

I think that's where that need for numbers occurs, for so many of us. To have control in our lives.

My setpoint for feeling satisfied and that I have enough creative options, seems to hover at the 110-120 count, not including dancewear, very formal dresses, costumes or any loungewear I wouldn't willingly wear out of the house. That's down from something like 300+ "everyday" and "festive" items, 3-4 years ago.

Something that felt very good this year, was that I finally bit the bullet, and said goodbye to a number of "close to fitting" clothing items that I haven't worn in two years. I also purged several pairs of high heels that my feet just don't tolerate well anymore. Regardless of my fitness goals, or tracking what I eat, via the Lose It! app, I realized it was time to celebrate where I am at right now, instead of feeling like what I have done isn't enough. Having those items underlined the 'not enough'. Saying goodbye to them was very liberating.

I mention this, because you've talked repeatedly about your fitness goals. I would love to know that you're thrilled with what you have already accomplished!

@Sterling said something earlier this year that was a real aha! moment for me - about being realistic about her climate needs. I spend maybe 10 winter days in Ontario two out of every three years. I've worked to put together a small capsule to reflect that need. But mostly, I migrate between Atlanta and central Florida. Nine months of my year is above 70 degrees F. I've come to understand that my best successes are when I shop for seasonless items, with a very hot weather capsule to cover about two months. I don't need any more toppers. I do need shorts that aren't too long, that look casual smart, and that are breathable natural fibers, such as linen or cotton blends.

I think the thing I look at now - rather than numbers - is to try and have everything in my closet be something I LOVE and cannot wait to wear AND be able to be worn in combination with most of the other things in my closet.

Anyway, thems my two cents. I hope this is helpful

@Rachylou : "I like clothes. I’d rather have a new sweater than go out to dinner, which is a conundrum - because where will I wear my new sweater? lol"

I laughed out loud when I read that, because that is sooooo me!

Hi! Being that I've always been a total clothes horse from about age 6, I love clothes. My wardrobe is a huge closet on one whole side of one wall in our bedroom (about 18 ft long) with sliding doors and it is filled. I've been on a quest, to pair down what I actually wear now that I'm retired, but it is exhausting. Do you ladies notice your boobs getting bigger as you age? lol? Some of my tops no longer fit, ! I don't believe a wardrobe size has anything to do with numbers, rather what you like to wear! Some women may wear 30 items a week, other women may wear 200 items in one given week. It's an individual choice. Now, when I travel, I take one huge suitcase and pack my current favorites. We all have those. But my favorites now, are not my favorites last July, and probably won't be my favorites in March of 2018. We evolve each month, each season, each year of our lives. Our styles/tastes may change even from one month to the next, I notice. Just unpacked a box of handbags today that I put away last winter, and half of them are going to the Goodwill tomorrow, not my style anymore, not what thrills me today. Same with clothes. I feel you need to assess weekly, also if I buy something new, I'm making an effort to discard one thing in the same category. I know there's this minimalism/capsule wardrobe trend going around the internet, but as a fashion lover/clothes horse, I could never live on 30 items, ridiculous~But personally, this new year, I am going to be really downsizing, as I switch up my style, according to my lifestyle these days, and what I actually DO in my life. Yes, I have loved vintage fur jackets, but here in CA, do I need them? NO. I adore boots, but do I ever wear them? NO. I like slip on slip off shoes~ I am learning to buy things I will wear and USE in the climate I live in, and for my lifestyle, not just because something is gorgeously beautiful~ I do find gorgeously beautiful things I will use! Chanel flats? Oui~ Chanel pumps? Lovely, but I won't wear them these days in retirement.

LBD, I was pleased with the progress I’ve made—but then I backslid. Sometimes I think the move should be an absolute cutoff and anything that doesn’t fit gets dumped. But I know that my life there will be much healthier than here. I’ll be outside walking, biking &/or taking public transit daily. I doubt I’ll hate my life like i do here, so the depression will finally lift. Both of those things are likely to take weight off. I usually get more lean when I spend more than a few months in Germany. It would be a shame to dump the clothes I’m looking forward to just before they were going to fit.

Violett, funny you mention the 30-day challenge. I just tried to do one, got to 40 days and still hadn’t worn 30 items, even counting shoes and outerwear. That probably is something I should pay attention to.

Oh, I'm not saying you have to dump anything! You do what's right for you!

What I am saying is... celebrate the you that you are right now And if you ever feel like you're somehow 'failing' because you don't fit some items, consider letting those items go. There will always be more fabulous things waiting for you.

Thank you! I never have related to the things I hear are common for women to think about their bodies. I mean, I don’t like being this way—it doesn’t feel good. When I was heavier, going to water parks was hard because I could hardly climb all the steps, and I didn’t recognize myself if I caught a glimpse of a mirror. But disliking the state I’m in has nothing to do with myself, and certainly won’t make me dislike me. But I appreciate you making that point. Thanks for caring!

For an international move, I'd recommend a Patagonia "Black Hole" duffel bag--maximum volume, minimum weight. I think North Face makes a similar model.
If you'll be moving from the US to Germany, check with Graebel International or DHL about air freight shipments for small household items and clothing. You might get a better deal than paying airline overweight fees.
I always found clothing purges for international moves to be both traumatic and freeing--a way to explore new personae, if you will

Lady painter, thanks! Air cargo is what we did last time we moved back. Why hasn’t it ever occurred to me to save weight on the luggage? I’ll have to look into those duffel bags. Do you have any other tips?

Scandinavia/Germany/northern EU have excellent outdoor wear brands, so if your current sets are worn-out/don't fit, I'd cull now and replace there, instead of buying before you go.

Sorry about my late response.

Using tracking to getting rid of the non-wears: Tracking clarifies what I wear, and surely makes me feel guilty about buying too much. But, it is very easy for me to talk myself into keeping something, even if I don't wear it that often, especially if it has "that certain something extra.". So I could be a lot better with culling. I do get a ruthless streak every once in a while, which helps to finally expel unused things. Usually that springs from guilt and self disgust when I bring home something and can't find room for it, and remember all the other unworn stuff. Then I'll buckle down for a while and avoid not only active shopping, but casual browsing, especially online.

Tracking to avoid buying non-wearables: FAIL. I guess life experience has probably more affected my decisions to not buy things that haven't worked in the past. When a silhouette works, I stick with it. For example, wide leg pants are my jam. And I just can't deal with dress poplin shirts for various fit reasons - haven't bought one for work in ten years.

I decided to reduce my wardrobe when I realized that it made me feel overwhelmed. Heaps of laundry to do, tons of clothes and shoes scattered around the house ... I started to suspect that I had too much. One day I did an experiment, took out a small bunch of clothes and decided to live out of that small bunch for the next month. It was a light-bulb. I realized that I was much happier with less choices. Coincidentally after a while I stumbled upon Project 333 (thanks to YLF). Now my total number of clothes and shoes is around 80. I would like to reduce even more.

I am new to this site, and have been using the finds functionality to track what is in my wardrobe. I'm entering things as I wear them, so I don't have it all in yet. I'm curious to see how many items I do have.

I prefer to have fewer things, as long as I am wearing them. I hate looking at those poor closet orphans and thinking about how I wasted my money on them.