Hi Sterling --

Glad you're on the path to finding the right fit.

The search is a ridiculous one due to the extreme variation (did you know that not all BAND SIZES measure the same even when the number on the brand-new tag is the same? grrrrr) but in the end many feel it's worth it. [I do.]

If you were in a 4" too big bra most in the right size will feel tight but I agree it shouldn't feel torturous. Word of warning: if you're at all prone to neck/shoulder stiffness you may find a bra that's fine one day presses too much on another, so it's good to have a little variation in your bra drawer.

The problem many have with going up a band size in the same design [with cup size appropriately adjusted] is that the cup placement is then off.

I'm really more of an in-between band size so over the years I've figured out a few tricks:

  • manually stretch the bra as much as you can pre-wear (I've literally never worn a bra til it's on the furthest hook...even with handwashing and $$$ bras (seamed and Tshirt) the cups lose their will to live after 12-18 months and at most I'm on hook 2)
  • sew/get alterations to add hooks in between hook 1 and 2 (and 2 and 3 if you want)
  • have tape measure handy and look for bras that measure a bit more than your minimum and/or have stretchier backs (Perele mentioned above is one of these; I find Wacoal to be pretty tight in comparison and I wear both in the same band size)

Good luck!

ps for me the most uplift comes with a some squidge at the band; only you can decide if the tradeoff is worth it (you may vote yes for bra A and no for bra B)

pss When googling reviews look for "FOB" or "full on bottom" to go with your shape

About two years ago I tried really hard to find the perfect bra for me. I went to several specialty stores and to Nordstrom all for professional fittings. I researched loads of bra blogs. I failed in the end, but I did notice what you encountered.

I don't know when it started, but there is a HUGE push on to get women into smaller band sizes. Some infamous saying about most women wear the wrong bra size. Who started that? Apparently the "pros" have jumped on that band (haha) wagon in a big way, because absolutely everyone I went to and everyone I read sang the praises of tight bands. Never mind that it might feel uncomfortable, give you heartburn, and do the bra band bulge you mention on absolutely everyone....the pros say we must put women in tighter bands and therefore we will!

I am not a fan of very tight bands. I don't know how someone can be so sure something fits perfectly when they are not the ones in it. I don't blame you at all for returning it. If you have the energy, keep searching for someone who actually listens to you. At some point I may have the motivation to try again. Hopefully before every current bra I own has fallen apart.

Search the web about bra sister sizes. The cup volume size on a 34D is the same as a 36C — basically at all sizes if you increase the band, go down a size and vice versa. An example use of this might be when you have the right cup volume but the breast position might be too wide in a bra, you would try a band size down but up the cup size in the same bra style/brand. Of course the cup position on the band differs between styles and brands, but knowing about sister sizes can help tweak an almost perfect fit.

I tend to agree with you Peri. There does seem to be a big push (including on YLF and some of the resources appropio linked to) to forsake the old "band size is underbust plus 4 inches" and move to using your underbust measurement as your band size. And clearly that is working well for some people here.
I however am with those who just can't cope with it. I wear mostly 10B or 12A (i.e., 32B or it's sister size 34B ) with the occasional handed down 12AA.(34AA) My underbust is 30 inches and there's no way I could fit any 30 bands that I have tried.
I am happy with how I look too. I do go for some level of padding (to at least cut out nipple exposure) like in a T shirt bra, but sometimes more.
My bust is pretty much a size smaller than the rest of me, and I'm keen to even it things a little. Unlike Carla, I hardly even fill out a button down so wouldn't want to minimize. (Until a few weeks ago, I was wearing a very flattening crop top for exercising in though - no padding and no nipple hiding!)
It seems to me that perhaps especially for the smaller busted among us, bras may not be of the vital importance they can be for the more well endowed. I know Joy and Suz may disagree with this, but some of the comments above make me think I'm not alone.

Anyway, I read all your experiences with great interest, Sterling and will be interested in hearing how it all goes.

Peri and Anne raise good points about the push towards tighter bands. My fitter explained this preference as follows:

Most women prefer to support and raise breast tissue so it aligns to the mid-point of the upper arm. This is the “traditional” bust position used by patternmakers and designers so tailored clothes tend to fit better when the bust is more or less in this vicinity. For many women, a loose band means the weight of the breast tissue positioned like this would be borne mainly by the shoulder straps. A tighter band relieves the pressure on the shoulders since the band can now function as a support for much of the weight. This alignment and weight redistribution, of course, is more noticeable on women with larger busts and more breast tissue.

The old way of measuring for band size—measure and add 4”—may have been a reasonable guide in the days when bras were made of heavy cotton and bands were much wider—often with 5 or 6 hooks—and extended to the upper rib cage. Cotton bras were notoriously prone to shrinking when washed and did not stretch when a person bent over. Having some ease allowed a woman to take a deep breath and move without discomfort. The typical bra of today uses much lighter, stretchy fabrics and narrow bands so the old 4” of ease would, nowadays, fit a woman in an extremely loose band.

For most women, using the exact measurement is a better starting point in figuring out band size since the built-in stretch of the fabric often provides sufficient ease for comfort. Different brands use different designs and fabrics so the stretch in one brand’s bra band can be quite different than the stretch in another brand’s band. That’s why “sister” sizes can be so helpful—if a band feels too constricting, going up a band size and decreasing a cup size may be a good compromise. Often, though, just like in any other garment, the underlying issue is the design, or brand, just doesn’t “get” that particular customer. In that case, restricting your search to just the one or two brands offered at a store doesn’t make any more sense in bras than it would in any other category of clothing.

To my mind, bra purchases are like buying shoes. A SA might measure my foot and tell me a shoe is my size, but only I can judge if I’m happy when that shoe is actually on my foot. Bras are the same. Our bodies are unique and only we, not some SA, can judge what feels comfortable, looks good, or fits our preferences.

Gaylene was very thorough.

Today’s anecdotes:
I was just trying out online purchased bras this morning. While trying 2 bras I that I had tried in one brand, Fantasie, I found the band on both to feel super constricting and the cup fabric doesn’t seem like it gives any support. In another brand, Parfait, it seems like zero lift or centering is going on, whilst the underwires dig in very painfully, even though the band isn’t too tight and the underwires look like they are fitting correctly. In a third brand, Freya, thankfully 2 out of 3 fit just right, and the third is very different fabric and it seems that I to need go one cup size down.

My two takeaways are (1) that you want the cup fabric to do some of the work, not just the band. And (2) you might have the right size but not the right brand. Alternatively, a brand that runs nowhere near true to standard measurement might fit you in some other size than that one you were measured to be. It is all very time consuming to get right.

All of this information was SO helpful. I was at the mall yesterday and I saw "semi-annual" sales every where!!

I wasn't in a frame of mind to do much trying on in the stores. But I now understand the complexity associated with this issue and I can go forward. The shoe analogy really drove this home for me. I try on tens of shoes before I find the one I buy.

I also really like the idea of broadening my search beyond Wacoal (a brand I have worn for at least a decade now).

Thank you all for your very thoughtful, supportive, and knowledgable comments.