I ordered the same ones as LisaP and they just arrived. I am surprised to find I love them! They are just as she described, a nice thick weight with good stretch, and I can't feel the waistband at all. I worried they would feel too girly but the leather panel, straight shape and short length makes me feel more punky 90s. What do you think?

Sorry for the horrible photos - my POS camera is driving me mad!

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