I agree that slim fitting clothes are much, much better than baggy. Some guys just really hide in their clothes!! It's almost comical.

But I feel really mixed about skinny, tight-fitting men's clothes. I grew up going to indie rock and punk shows(and still go sometimes!) surrounded by guys in tight jeans and tight shirts and I've come to associate it with arrogant, pretentious, immature boys. hahaha I'm talking about super skinny jeans though. Straight leg jeans don't give me the same vibe.

My bf's roommate is Bulgarian, and both him and his fashion-model brother wear slim cut, exceedingly fashionable and flattering clothing. Every time I see them, they just look so polished and sophisticated and "Euro" and at the same time down-to-earth and approachable. I love their look, and have never thought either were even remotely gay.

My bf is not a skinny guy, and the only time he put on skinny jeans was for a good laugh in the fitting room. That being said, I adore it when he dresses in clothes that are more tailored and skim his body. He has baggy ripped jeans from years ago that he'll pull out from time to time and I let that go, but on the whole he has moved on to a look that is mature and and yet fun, and I think he sees the difference in himself and how he is perceived.

Jared Leto is 38 !!!!! WHAT ????

HMM, Hmm, I am throat clearing : I don't like the Jonas Bros. I have just noticed that they were skinny, tight pants ; )

( My idea of two gorgeuos male artists are Rossdale and Jon Bon Jovi. Yup. )

Itari, sorry for "talking" while you sleep. We will make sure to alert you first, somehow.

There are nice manly skinny jeans and then there are silly teeny bopper skinny jeans, don't you think?
I saw two young men coming out of Abercombie and Fitch, is that the right spelling? One had on skinny jeans that also rode half way down his butt. I could see half his boxer shorts and it gave me the creeps BIG time. The other fellow looked like a typical teen/young man to me.
My thoughts and feelings about this skinny young guy with skinny jeans riding half way down his butt was, well never mind, let's just say I wanted to get away from the creepiness fast.
I know this sounds harsh, but I did wonder why in the world he was flashing his blank blank blank.

Maya, no one who enjoys looking at Jared Leto is too young for MSCL! Get thee to Netflix, woman. It's the best dramatic representation of high school that I've ever seen (and I was waaaaaay out of high school when it was on the air.) It was too far ahead of its time and only lasted one season. A shame.

I like a man in sleek clothes best. Greg is almost 42 and that's all he wears - skinnies with scrunch most of the time, with sleek tops.

That being said, I dress men for a living too. The overly barrel chested man does not look good in skinny jeans. He looks like he's going to topple over. I pop that body type in straight legs or slim boot cuts and a fitted shirt. That way they're proportions look balanced.

I've forgotten what the question was? Need tea.

Yes, Jared Leto was in 'my so called life' back in the mid-nineties! He is not lying about his age!

I've decided once a person is past about 25 I can no longer tell age. But he is obviously aging very well.

And, Maya - why do you think 30 is the last chance you have to date a rockstar?
Btw, I was ROFL at whomever said they feel like 'Cougar with a capital C' in the beginning of this post. Too funny!

But back to the main question - I love slim fitted clothing on some men and some men, not so much. When I worked for Banana Republic for years I got used to a more slim fit for men and I think it looks really nice on lots of men. As Angie said, there are men that it does not work so well on strictly because of proportions. But America is mostly just not used to seeing men in slim fitting clothing (past the teenager/ Jonas brother phase) in the mainstream/ corporate America. We're behind in that way

Angie, this had nothing to do with how flattering slim fits are on men. It was about the perception that all slim cuts are "gay." I found that rather offensive.

April, I can't think of anything I'd rather do less than watch high school drama. I'm sure it was a great show, but my TV watching habits have historically excluded drama. I don't even know if Jared could change my mind. I meant that I was young when MSCL was on TV, not now. I was maybe 10? 11? So I had no interest in it.

Agrace, all of my rock star crushes over the years have been in their late 20's (at least at the time I had a crush on them). When I was 13, all of my crushes were 26-29. I suppose I could date a younger man, but no rock star wants an older woman :p

After 30, rock stars become AGING rock stars. It's like modeling--one of the few professions in which 30 is considered old.

Jared Leto is an exception because he doesn't age, evidently. I like to believe it is the result of his diet

I'm obviously a little slow tonight as I did not realize that you were referring to My So Called Life when you wrote 'MSCL'. Yes, a slow night for me.

As to the rockstars not wanting to date an older woman, I know you were being tongue in cheek but for some reason I just don't think that is true. Of course, this whole conversation is tongue in cheek, I realize. (rockstar conversation)

Remember, 40 is the new 30 and so on...;)

OK, just watch an episode! Seriously. It is just a good show. My parents and my grandma thought it was quality, even though they had no choice in watching it. It is nothing like 90210 or any of the high school dramas on these days.

This clip is why I loved him twenty years ago...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVpAWS3ZB5o

Maybe we all just remember it too fondly, I don't know. It's actually an interesting show to come up as a topic in this thread because being gay is an issue they deal with, which was pretty rare in the early 90's.

I actually remember when Banana started carrying more slimly cut pants. It was during a time when, for some reason, I would always buy my brother clothes at Christmas. It really threw me off at first and I couldn't imagine him liking the pants as a guy in his early 20's, right outta college. He definitely wears slimmer straight-legged pants now and looks terrific in them. He's over 6'3" and even though he's pretty slim, if he wore a tighter leg it would look really funny on him because it wouldn't mesh with his outdoorsy/finance world persona.

I guess that is kind of it - I think the pants that match personality and venue look the best! Except for super baggy and pants like San described - those never look good.

Maya, I think maybe you should write a letter to this guy and tell him exactly how you feel. Write exactly how you wish you could have responded. Then burn it.

I'm so lost I had to google Jared Leto - but it was worth it I'm game for trying a bit of MSCL too (I was busy with babies in 1994 and missed everything).

I love slim fitting clothes on guys when it results in a Euro vibe.

And, Angie, thank you for keeping barrel-chested guys properly balanced (I've seen a few who could use your help!)

Funny, when I think of Jared I think of Fight Club, Requiem for a Dream, American Psycho, and 30 Seconds to Mars. MSCL doesn't even come to mind. It seems like a good show, I just don't watch dramas of any kind. Even Law and Order is too dramatic for me.

I am very finicky and picky about the opposite sex and probably see about 300 men before finding even one that I find attractive...so the few times it does happen, I lose my head a little...

Totally hear you on fashion persona Rosie. I guess since I'm not into outdoorsy types, and I'm more into cultured/arty/hipster/rock star types, my preference makes some sense I'm cringing at myself for being so boxed into these types, but I can't help it! It's just how I am wired.

Well this has been a fun thread to read LOL

Firstly - Maya - Jarred Leto is defintely one very spunky guy and if you ever tire of him, send him my way LOL

As for the skinny jeans = gay thing - I don't agree either - my youngest brother is very heterosexual and has a pair! And I definitely admire them on the right man...!!!

But, I think, particularly where I live (Hicksville at times!), it is a very common male thing... but they use the word "gay" to be derogatory not actually relating to sexuality IYKWIM.

I was actually at a trendy bar one sunday afternoon with my other brother and some of their fellow "country" mates, and our table was very much in the minority because the boys were wearing "normal" shorts as opposed to skinny shorts/jeans. The boys at our table automatically took a disliking to these guys and we ended up leaving - all because they decided that boys wearing skinny clothes were not the type of people they wanted to be around - it wasn't because they honestly believed they were gay, but because they had decided they were just different and they all had an "attitude".

I was really quite horrified that they could actually leave because of something so silly... (And the guy playing the guitar was incredibly SPUNKY and I wanted to stay and keep fluttering my eyelashes at him LOL).

So after all this rambling, I think that we women can definitely appreciate fashion forward men whereas fellow men are threatened by it.

Thanks for recapping, Maya. In total agreement about it being offensive. Blokes who believe that would have a hard time in most of Europe, Tokoyo, Hong Kong and Taipei. Judging by the street fashion, they would think most blokes are gay.

Enjoy your crush. Men improve with age. FOR SURE.

Sara, start getting those barrel chested men into wider bottoms on your side, and I'll take care of it on this side.