Well, I've worn these around the house a few times now, at varying times of day, and they seem comfortable even without invisible socks. They look good with full length and rolled straights and skinnies, and I love the way they pick up a little bit of white in an outfit without being WHITE shoes (which I never feel comfortable wearing). They do not slip off my heels, yay! So it looks like I found one pair of shoes at NAS, and these are keepers.