Texstyle - I already had the athleta ones on my radar, and tried the regular length in store when I was near one traveling. I decided to order the tall, which I received today. I wasn't quite sure when I got them, but think as I kept them on for a bit they will work out well. I'll do one more try on tomorrow to make sure. My debate is between the regular length I didn't get and the tall I have now.
And based on your discussion of the loft pants, I ordered two sizes of them. I kept the smaller size in black. I do wish they were a bit shorter in the rise, but find them quite flattering through the leg. The larger ones were way too long in the rise, contributing to what I have always called the "thigh grab". Guessing there might be another term for that
As to the front ties, I also wish athleta didn't have them on everything. When I wore the loft pants, I actually tucked the tie inside. I never tuck shirts in though, so don't think it will be too big an issue.
Thanks for the recos. Think I'm all set for summer pants now. I will still be keeping an eye out for one pair of shorts, and possibly an easy knit skirt. I tried the Bermuda linen athleta shorts, and although they fit, they were meh and will be returned. Otherwise for summer, I am still looking for a few knit tees with some detail or interest, and maybe one knit dress to complete my summer wardrobe, which is obviously my dominant season. It is already 90* here.