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Vicki, these are the exact same pants! So, we are in fact pants twins (except that mine have just been remade!). I'll PM you about embedding links after I"m done cooking dinner.
Donna - thanks so much for the detailed advice on sizing - I have pretty muscular thighs, so I'll have to think about that.
I went ahead and did the alteration - I've posted a new thread about the length here:
