I agree with Shiny's advice, especially if you're going to someone new. Make sure the stylist understands what you want to project, not just the haircut you're looking at itself.

Lisap, you might have said in a different thread and I missed it... are you going back to the same guy for your next cut? It seems like he really messed with your head, and not in a cosmetological way.

TG, looking at the photos you posted, it seems to me your hair has a lot of body and wave? I'm not sure a Winona cut is right for you. I could be wrong -- it just seems her hair is a lot straighter. My daughter has that cut right now and her hair is quite straight, unlike my own, which waves a lot and can barely be tamed with a flat iron.

Also, Winona's face shape is different than yours - I think you'd call it a heart i.e., her chin is pointy. Your face shape is more rectangle I think? (it looks more round in your photo #1 with the bob, but I think that's the cut giving that effect?) Can you take a picture straight on and with your hair back so we can determine what face shape you have?

Of the photos posted, I like Suz's #5 for you the best, or something similar. What I like about it for you is that it has lots of volume on top and is shorter on the sides. I think if you grew out the top you could go shorter on the sides and show your ears.

However I think you can still do better. Here's more inspiration for you --
http://wardrobelooks.com/best-.....ace-shape/

I think with your hair texture a shaggy cut would look amazing and be just the ticket!!

There's a lot of good advice here. It's so hard to pinpoint the difference. I always brought in lots of pictures and told my stylist what it was I liked about them. Sometimes they were noticing something different than I was. I am usually focused on the shape of the cut rather than lengths. I definitely think your new cut is better. Straightening the bangs would make a big difference. I agree also that stylists often stereotype us based on how they think we want to look. I'm in my 50's so they assume I don't want to be too edgy or "young". I think Winona's cut is really cute.

Carla is right, I'm totally wash and go. My haircut has to work for me that way or I can't deal with it, I don't own a flat iron for example. And I don't use any product at all! My routine is basically holding my head under water in the morning. I use shampoo if necessary, otherwise it's just water. Then I comb it the way I want it to dry (with comb or fingers) and then I let it airdry. I only use the blowdryer when I have overslept. That's it.

This means there are some things I just can't do style wise. I first had a longer pixie when I hat it cut short, with that asymmetrical bang, basically the "modern" pixie. It was a nightmare, basically. My hair looked awful most days... I need my pixie to be quite short so that my wavy hair is tamed. But even this short I still have that softness that was mentioned by a few people and since I don't use product for definition I found that I preferred to have my ears free and not covered by hair. I feel as if the cut looks a bit more "structured" that way. I don't have a part, but wear the hair all combed to the front with a short fringe slightly swept to the side. It's longer on top, with the sides and the back shorter (with a bare neck). My hair stylist cuts my hair with scissors, wet. Sometimes he uses an electrical shaver for the nape.

#1/2
First really short haircut in February 2015.

#3
Grown out a bit.

#4
This was in January 2016, cut maybe two days before the picture was taken.

That reminds me, I really need to make an appointment for a cut!

ETA

I think #5 was one of the inspiration pictures I had.

No- I'm not going back . I'm going to see my regular woman for a touch up - hopefully today .

Hope that helps you feel better with it, lisap.

Wow - Shiny gave some really great tips. I've been going to the same person for 20+ years. After I went grey we talked about me not wanting to look frumpy, wanting to look more current, etc. I have been dressing better when I go for my appointment. I've been happy with her cuts (all scissors except neck cleanup) but I've noticed that at three weeks it all goes kablooey. Maybe that means my appointments should be three weeks apart.

Shiny, that is fantastic advice! All really important. Most of it I realize I do by now without thinking about it. But it's the one time you forget that you end up with the crummy haircut!

Um. None of my photos were meant as styles for TK. They were just to illustrate changes even in iconic cuts, and 80s styles that don't look current to me.

I think the choppy bangs and overall choppy cut of something like this would be fun if you didn't want to go too short. It looks like you would need some oil and/or other product to help keep it pieced instead of soft.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/.....iyp59_qBs/

I've been researching this topic.
Generally, it seems that you must push the hair forward on your face. Even the hair that's at the back. And then if you hate the bangs on your forehead, you need to part them like a curtain, without flipping.

From what I can see, the bangs must be a little bit shorter at the part.

Smittie,I tried that haircut several months ago and I just do not have the body in my hair, even with product, to make it look piecey. My hair is soft and it doesn't want to hold a bend. After fighting with the cut for awhile, I just said uncle.

Shiny, you're right, my face isn't shaped like Winona's. I'm not sure I'm up for googling "chubby jowled middle age face," though. I will post another photo tomorrow after I use the flatiron on the bangs and sides like Angie advised.

Astrid, your haircut looks so perfect for you. Going as short as you have might be in my future... You just always look just like yourself.

Ah. So the other trick will be finding styles that work for fine thinning hair. The flat iron should help. But if not maybe the cut needs to take the texture into account.

Your eyes are your knockout feature so everything needs to highlight them!

Great advice all. .
Suz, when you or anyone else finds anything that work with fine thinning soft ?wavy hair, be it cut, style or products, please do share.

Nishaa, I would gladly share but I am not an expert on the thinning hair; mine is fine but also super thick, so I have the opposite problem. It's always something, I guess!

Ok TG. Fingers crossed the flat ironing works!

TG, thanks! I hope you find a solution for yourself, be it the flat iron or a slightly different cut. Let us know how it works out. I think if you find the right look you will know it.

Nishaa, the thinning hair is how I got into that whole swoopy-front thing in the first place (a decade ago). I went to a guy for a few haircuts and he suggested I keep that part (in the front, above my right temple) short-ish and then kind of push it so it waved, and it covered the thin spot, and now I can't stop doing it, even though it's not as obvious as it was then. I do find that my hair looks (and feels) thicker when it's shorter rather than longer than chin length.

TG - regarding thinning hair, I think adding certain product can really help - a little bit of coconut oil, aloe vera gel, etc. I would purposefully get rid of the swoop - don't be afraid to show your forehead some - you have beautiful eyes to show off!

Also making sure you have enough iron and magnesium and B12 and maybe iodine in your diet might be helpful. Low thyroid can also cause hair to thin and is quite often way under diagnosed by mainstream medical docs - so is low ferritin (iron stores) which can cause the same thing. I don't buy into the oft told "it's just a natural part of aging" as I've known too many people who have reversed thinning hair with diet and supplements. It does take some time to notice a difference, maybe up to a year.

I am faithful to Kevin Murphy's Gritty Business for adding texture, volume and pliability . It's gross, grey, sticky and gritty, but once you've warmed it up between your fingers it's the best thing ever. I have fine hair, a "normal" amount of it - not thin but hardly thick either- and am slowly thinning around my temples. It keeps my bangs from hanging limply and doing that swoop thing

Texstyle, I've had Graves Disease for a long time. Every few-to-several years it flares up and I really have symptoms from it, and that's what has caused the thinning in that spot in the front (although it's better than it has been at some points in the past twenty years). I do use coconut oil as a conditioner sometimes, and it's interesting how it does seem to thicken the hair temporarily.

Lisap, I think you're the one who told me about Kevin Murphy's Gritty Business several months ago and I didn't pull the trigger because I was hoping I'd find something less expensive that worked well for me. I just put it back in my cart - for what I've paid in products that don't work I should have just bought it six months ago. Thanks for reminding me.

Suz, thanks for the compliment on my eyes. I had a real bout with Graves Eye Disease a few years ago and it made me so self-conscious about my eyes, since one of them looked like it was bulging in photographs. Now that things are back under control I'm finally taking the occasional photo without my sunglasses.

Photo below (still a slight swoop, gah).

It looks like maybe you also have to swoop to keep it out of your eyes? In that case, tweaking the cut will help. Another option: maybe see what happens if you part in a slightly different place-- or even on the other side of your head for a change. Sometimes this works surprisingly well.

The Kevin Murphy is indeed expensive, but I bet I've had this one almost a year and it's not even half finished yet.

Re: the swoop - can you not part it so far over and maybe bring it forward from the back and then down on the one side? Another trick is blow drying to the opposite side and then fixing it with your fingers back to the side you want to part it on ....

When your hair is thin or thinning, I firmly believe the less you fuss with it the better it looks. My stylist does an overall precision trim and then infuses a lot of choppy layers throughout to give my hair a natural subtle lift. At the end he does all the fine trimming around my ears and then the bangs. My hair is cut like the 3rd photo. When drying I use a vent brush and blow my hair to the front while drying and when almost dry will spray a volumizer (Rusk Thick Spray) and go over lightly with the hair dryer again without the brush to get the fullness. I get better fullness when I apply the thickening spray after I dry most of my hair rather than when it is wet or fully dry.

So glad you posted your new pics. Your hair cut looks great! You will be able to wear it a lot of different ways. You inspired me to get my hair cut too. I cut 5 inches off and my stylist said the same thing, flatiron. I have been playing around with products too. I used a little wax on the ends. It made a major difference.
After a weight loss a ton of my hair fell out. My part got over 2 inches wide. I had blood tests and a lot of my vitamin levels were really low. Doc put me on prenatal vitamins (at age 55 !) and it grew back. Just be careful with vitamins because too much of them can be harmful. I had to,get regular blood tests.

Last photo of the less-swooping bangs, just to conclude (until my next hair-crisis). Thank you so much for helping me work through this. I blew them forward, used a little lightweight glossy hair-goop, twisting the ends, and then didn't play when them. I apologize for photo #2 which looks like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory's creepy smiling face.

Lol. Sheldon is *my husband* I totally think that's the ticket. Well done on the swoop elimination. Bangs are tricksy.

Looks great.

I remember reading Kevin Bacon saying he would never have had a movie career without hair product. I guess my hair is the same. My hair is thin and limp. What other negative adjectives are there? My stylist uses this product to give my hair some life. She uses it when it's wet and dries it, then uses it again when it's dry to give it some personality. Another thing she does is combs my hair forward around my face. It may not be forward exactly, but it's definitely not back at all.

Angie's right about the magic the flat iron can do. It takes my hair from frizzy wild waves to smooth and shiny and takes about 5 minutes every 4 days.