Totally agree with Shiny's POV on Amazon and feeling that online shopping takes a terrible toll on the environment. It has been a goal of mine to reduce my online shopping this whole year. It is tough through as more and more items seem to only be available online.

I may be the only one who loves it. Once my children got old enough they loved it too. In fact DS came home last night and asked if we were going... Have to say we go more for the fun and energy of it than actual sales. We haven't experienced any crazy behavior just a rush and everyone laughing... However this starting Thanksgiving night, is as my DD 23 says hijacking family time and we Will not participate until the wee early hours on Friday.

Exactly what Az and Thimbleina said.

No. Just no. Can't handle the crowds. People at their worst.

I will sometimes shop online, but i am scared of actual physical stores on Black Friday! About 15 years ago, someone dragged me to King of Prussia (the 2nd largest mall in the USA) on Black Friday and I think it scarred me permanently. I'm sure it's only gotten worse since then too.

I've participated in #Buynothingday
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_Nothing_Day for a long time. My extended family basically does #Occupyxmas too - hand-me-down and handmade gifts are welcome, and charitable contributions, but we all agreed to forgo anything new for everyone over 5.

Actually last year I tried to do a reverse Black Friday where I reduced spending and spent the day on the phone negotiating lower monthly bills (internet, utilities, phone, etc.) and cancelling subscriptions we weren't using enough. I'm definitely interested in frugality and cost savings and conscious consumerism, and always struggle to balance these sometimes opposing ideas. But I have trouble seeing Black Friday as about anything besides encouraging conspicuous consumption.

Ms. Mary's article is interesting, and I can't help but wondering about this term: The slump is driven by those who earn less than $50,000, called "survivalists," whose ranks have been growing. This year, 67% of American shoppers fall into that category. Okay, we're talking about the majority of Americans, not a fringe group here...

It's a vicious cycle in a way with low wages pushing folks toward some of the most egregious retailers, but I figure people of all incomes make their own informed decisions about how to spend their holidays and earnings given the options available. We reschedule our own family holidays all the time, and skype in when plane fares are just too high to join the relations. I just wish there were a lot more cultural push back from all directions to the 'new, shiny, better' accumulation model and the pervasive unstated idea that there is something shameful about having less.

I also am a Buy Nothing Day person. I've never done Black Friday in person as the crowds would certainly put me off if nothing else. I like a deal but I'm fortunate enough to pick and choose. I usually avoid the mall between Thanksgiving and Christmas, and the post office too; I live in a densely populated area and it only gets worse during the holiday season.

My mom is very traditional about the holidays and likes to buy people stuff, even though all of us except my niece are adults with their own incomes and can buy anything they need or want. She expects all of us to buy her things too; things which she could easily buy for herself. It seems a little paradoxical, especially since none of us live in the same town any more so we're not aware of each others' day-to-day details of living in the way that helps you figure out what people really want/need. It's all a simulcra of "I love you, I care about you" which I wish we could just say and prove with our actions instead of having it all couched in stuff and money.

I honestly could do without presents at Christmas except for small children (which I don't have any of). I like the idea of people buying me thoughtful gifts if they want to, but why does it have to be at Christmas?

I wish we could get to a point where Christmas is a religious holiday for those who celebrate it, and everyone could just have normal weeks around it. It's not Christmas Day that I mind, it's that all of December and most of November are taken over by it.

I don't shop on Black Friday, ever! I stay away from the crowds.

I always avoid shopping on Black Friday - the crowds and the emphasis on consumerism bother me. But I'm much more offended by stores opening on Thanksgiving. Except for essential services, I'm don't think employees should have to work that day so I'm not shopping at all on either day.

Besides hating crowds and long lines, I think the other reason I avoid shopping on Black Friday is because I won't be tempted to buy things I don't need. I focus on filling holes and such. I love sales but don't mind not getting rock bottom prices. Lastly, I like resting in the knowledge that I have spent the year browsing and getting what I need, and can rest at home while everyone else battled it out at the stores.

Laura (Rhubarbgirl) pretty well sums up my experience! About half my lifetime ago I happened upon an interesting book (I was working in an independent bookstore at the time) called 'Unplugging the Christmas Machine'. The tips and tools were super useful to me, and I have been able to craft the kinds of family celebrations that are meaningful to me and my family. What is suggested applies beyond the Christmas holiday.

However, when it comes to my mom, for whom gift giving and gift receiving is a very big deal, I have to bend!

I'm not much of an on-line shopper, and will be staying out of stores during the hyped up Black Friday, Midnight Madness, and other crazy-making sales events. I hope to frequent a few one-of-a-kind craft fairs and patronize local shops. I do know that I am lucky to be able to do this.

I ignore it. December is for Christmas shopping. My Mom used to start preparing for Christmas in September, but I decided it wasn't for me. The best time to shop is on a mid-week morning before the stores and parking lots fill up.

Ugh, hate. My kids think it is an actual holiday.

It's uncivilised.

First, Thankgiving is the holiday. It's for everyone. Your religion, your ethnicity... none of it matters.

Second, the only thing you have to give is thanks. No presents.

Third, everyone should get to participate in national holidays on the day. And their pay should not be docked for it.

Fourth, everyone needs a break.

Fifth, it is wrong to undermine the holiday by offering time-and-half pay.

Sixth, time-and-half pay is not something a small business can do - but a small business will have to open just like the big stores to stay alive. One day, the holiday won't be a holiday at all and there will be no holiday pay for anyone.

Right. Rant over. Happy Thanksgiving! Lol.

I'm in the love it group. I don't think, aside from those who need to work the holiday and don't want to, that it necessary detracts from family time. My entire family including my dad loved shopping, so this was one of the days we looked forward to venturing out together. Hate the traffic and we avoid mad houses like Walmart. But I can't even try to pretend I don't like it as the crazy hyped day it is. Makes me smile just recalling family shopping trips...

I'm a second generation Black Friday buy-nothing-day person. We spend the day outside and/or curled up by the fire.

And shopping on Thanksgiving day, unless it's at the 7Eleven for forgotten whipping cream or something, is unthinkable.

I never buy anything on Black Friday. It's only a time businessman get money from you with a reasonable reason.

Ugh, my mum and I did Black Friday once when I was a teen, and we were miserable. People were so rude and in a hurry. She never shopped Black Friday again. I went once on my own about 14 years ago, but I went to a store that had a queue and let people in one at a time, so at least there was no shoving. However, I also decided that it was ridiculous, and I never again went after that.

I have a family, and I would so much rather spend Thanksgiving with them watching the Macy's parade, cooking, sitting and visiting and laughing around the table. Indeed, I try to have my shopping DONE before Black Friday because all of the stores become crowded and unpleasant afterwards. I shop only for necessities after Black Friday and don't shop again for browsing and fun until after the New Year.

I just went out to pick up something at the grocery...Had to go by the mall and a person on her cell dropped over to my lane from the lane going the opposite direction...I had to blast the horn and swerve to miss her...Hey, all she was trying to do was to turn in the mall...I decided to come home and forego my grocery...smile...
Also, saw on the morning news, the UK is having Black Friday sales and scuffles and they don't even have the holiday week-end...My apologies to the UK for spreading this...

Did anyone read about what everlane is doing this year?

https://www.everlane.com/black-friday

Good on them! Adding Everlane to my list of preferred brands for 2015.

FYI: my tender bud of an 18-year-old daughter survived her Night Of Zombie Retail & came home from AEO at 2:20 am with a few amusing anecdotes. We didn't walk down to gawk after all. The older folks at the Thanksgiving dinner we attended were outraged she had to leave dinner for work, but the younger among us agreed this kind of flexibility really isn't too much to ask of young people just starting out in the job market. The larger problem is an economy where a large portion of our citizenry can work a lifetime and never break beyond shift work, without benefits, without retirement, without job security, without daycare solutions and for wages that barely meet escalating basic expenses.

Just another day for me. Have never done the early morning thing. About 80/20 on Black Friday. 80 no shop stay at home and 20 shop. If I shop it is not until after 1:00 and spending the morning snuggled with family. Also only do purchases have been pre-planned.

I have never gone to the mall on any holiday. This is the first year I've been stalking items (the Vince coat& EF leggings)and they went on sale on line. I don't have time to shop at stores, for me it's just when the sale hit, they had my size, I pounced. I think it's completely unfair to make people work on national holidays.

I know I'm late to this discussion, but had to weigh in. I love black Friday shopping. It's fun! The energy, the crowds. Everyone who I've seen out is happy & excited.