Xtabay I'm laughing with you.

Mochi pass the tea

I really like some of the clothing she offered. However It was and still is outside of my sizing and price range.

On my trip to San Francisco in 2013, I saw Jessica Simpson shoes in the DSW in Union Square. I knew very little about her, but some of her shoes looked quite pretty, and good prices there. I later saw an article in our Fashion Quarterly mag by the editor who talked about that store and said there were some good bargains though you had to sort through the "twat" like Jessica Simpson. Always found that editor a bit mean- I might start a thread about the meanness of fashion mags! Anyway, that day I bought the most fabulous gold studded Steve Madden boots which I still love and which always get compliments!

PS I remember reading somewhere that Jessica Simpson shoes were actually designed by quite a good shoe designer/company. So I suppose she is lending her name as a celebrity. As I say, I know very little about her, she doesn't seem to be a celebrity that we hear about much in NZ.

YES. By Vince Camuto and BCBG, Jenni.

I saw something, a video or tv show, about Jessica Simpson working on her line. She was very serious and I admired her work. It was real work she put in, not just the business but the clothes.

But I do feel celebrity lines are their own class, category. I feel dissonance seeing them in a department store like Nordstrom.

Rachy, there does seem to a lot of - and too much - celebrity fashion endorsement going on these days, doesn't it. The SJP brand seems to come and go too.

I think that it's a shame that ylf has become political with blatant anti Trump posts permitted (eg. what I wore to the woman's march and here I am holding an anti Trump sign, isn't it great that Ivanka is dumped etc.)

I have noticed it for a while now and I think that it's a shame. I imagine that anyone who supported the current president would feel uncomfortable posting here. I support common decency and I have been appalled and saddened by it all....what I've been watching on the news, on my FB feed, and weaved into posts here under the guise of fashion. It makes me so sad that this is what ylf has become.

I think I get what you mean, Rachy. It goes back to what you are saying about the class of the store. They shouldn't need celebrity stuff there if they are trying to be classy. So you feel a dissonance.
Also the fact it was a good designer involved with the Jessica Simpson line ( and good on her for actually properly working on her line) makes me think that fashion editor was just being mean. She probably looked down on the person and so described the stuff as "twat". I am glad she has left, but sadly I don't like the new editor much better, so I prefer not to buy that mag, although I often end up doing so as we don't have much choice in NZ fashion mags. Luckily I may not need them so much now I have YLF! Although you are the wrong season for me...

CocoCat...well said. I've been uncomfortable for a while. Someone posted recently stating that some forum members seem to be missing or something to that effect. I though immediately that they had probably had enough and didn't feel welcome anymore. I've learned a lot from YLF although I don't post often. I'm seriously considering not coming back.

So sad to see your country and this lovely 10 year old website that I've only just joined so divided... Just history I guess, we are all living it right now and the Internet has changed the world.

I don't see any overtly political statements in this post. Everyone has been quite neutral in tone and respectful.

ETA: a reminder that we've also discussed boycotting of other brands for various reasons -- Lagerfeld, American Apparel, etc. This is not a political discussion -- it is a discussion of fashion and the impact of boycotts on controversial designers lines.

Thank you for your thoughts and opinions, ladies.

SWAnn, CocoCat, JayS and others, I apologize for making you feel unwelcome and sad due to the political undercurrents of some of the threads on YLF recently. Although I've been watching threads like a hawk to ensure they stay civil, unfortunately emotions do run high and get the better of us - and that includes me too. Thus far, I've chosen not to close threads hoping that things would stay respectful given the fashionable context of the topic. I'll do a better job of making sure that pure politics stay off the site, and hope that you can continue to enjoy YLF as an inclusive community that focuses on fashion and style.

CocoCat, I should be so eloquent. I loved this forum and getting to know everyone...right up until Nov 8. Since then, so many posts and comments have been so offensive. I hope things will get back to being less divisive very soon.

Neiman Marcus just dropped her brand too, apparently.

Can we make a teachable moment and highlight what specifically was offensive? There is a difference between being a minority (political opinion, religion, skin colour, body size, etc.) and people actively saying things that are offensive. I would be interested in knowing particular statements that offended you vs made you feel like you were in a minority. For instance, "I wore X to protest Y" is not the same thing as saying, "Anyone who voted for Y is Z."

Like Janet said, I did recall discussions of boycotts here before.

I don't think anyone is saying this, but it is unrealistic to expect that fashion occurs in a hermetically sealed vacuum, apart from the circumstances that shape the economy and define notions of class and the elite.

ETA: I'm not American.

I'm concerned about the position we put Angie in as the moderator of these posts. She has a tough job already.

Gradfashionista...so well said ! Just because someone has differing opinions doesn't make something "divisive" . It makes it a conversation and a democracy.

I agree with Janet...the tone has been extraordinarily respectful and no one has been attacked or demeaned in any way. I would also be curious to see examples of disrespectful comments so as to avoid them in the future. It would be helpful.

Agreeing 100% with Janet & gradfashionista. I'd be curious to see examples of disrespectful comments too. I love the wide-ranging discussions we have here & the fact that we can agree to disagree.

I wanted to chime back in for fear of being misunderstood (this is not the thread to be misunderstood). I called this post one of "these posts." And by that I only meant that it has some political content vs. being void of any political content. Not that it was offensive. I was merely sympathizing with Angie's prior post that she is clearly well-intentioned, wants open discussion but deeply cares about this community.

I was merely commenting on her added responsibility and her dedication to this forum.

Hehe, Mochi, re Dolly. I love Dolly.

Regarding Nordstrom's abandonment of Ivanka's clothing line: good. Words can't describe my disgust with respect to the American political situation, and my complete lack of respect for Donald Trump. How could I buy from Ivanka when she supports that classless, brainless, vile man? Sorry, sister, you're lovely looking and well-dressed, but I won't spare you a sympathetic thought if all your business ventures tank.

Regarding Nordstrom's in general: the department store continues to have my support because of their excellent customer service. Dropping Ivanka's line is a bonus. I wish they'd make the Vancouver store better though -- it's nowhere near as nice as the Seattle one.

I liked much of the Ivanka Trump branded fashion, I liked much of the Jessica Simpson branded fashion, I liked much of the SJP branded fashion.

I'm confused as to why Ivanka must be punished? Her father has certainly said/done some tough to swallow things, but Ivanka? Guilt by unavoidable association, or did I miss something really stupid she has said/done herself?

Okay, in full disclosure, I agree with Azirphale and don't apologize for it. I believe in the dignity if women and minorities and immigrants, and...

But on to the subject of boycotting. I am heartened to see that occasionally a consumer boycott actually works. Honestly, they rarely do, as it is nearly impossible to have enough people agree on anything to make something happen. I am glad that this consumer action was successful. It will not have a big impact, I am sure, either on the family or on Nordie's (or perhaps it will be beneficial to them), but it is one small way people can express their displeasure.

Designers/brands need to realize that the things their spokepeople say matter. There are high-end designers that have also met disfavour for their social and/or political affiliations, and I don't feel bad about them, either. Dior did its best to disengage with John Galliano after his hate speech (though due to contracts it was unable to fully do so). These are the natural consequences of political speech/action.

Bennett: I don't want to get too political, but Ivanka has essentially taken on the role of first lady. She is the one photographed getting onto Air Force One with her father, and her DH, Kushner, will likely have an office in the White House. Both of them were advisers to Trump during the campaign. Had she stayed out of the political aspect of things, I am not sure that anyone would have targeted her brands for boycott.

Leaving politics out if it, I can honestly say that I never saw any of her stuff I liked anyway. Of course, my aesthetic is so r.a.t.e that its plain old rough and tumble some days LOL.

I did find it interesting that, apparently, enough people quit buying her stuff that a department store quit carrying it.

I don't think Ivanka's line failed to sell because of politics. I think it was a bad match of store and product. Her line isn't Victoria Beckham or even the Olsen twins.

Bennett: Because she publicly supports her father, despite all his petty cruelties, when she's intelligent enough to know better. I don't really want to get into it any further here, because we're supposed to steer clear of the politics, but anyone who wants to discuss the latest shenanigans of that morally deficient man-child (which, I might add, will affect the rest of the world, so we have a right to be upset) is free to message me.

America made its bed, but we all have to lie in it.

I am sorry to see that her brand is no longer carried. I haven't bought any of it, but I always glanced at her shoes when I was in Nordie's. I thought she had some nice styles.

I am another member who feels increasingly alienated by some of the recent posts. Is someone who voted for a "classless, brainless, vile man" also classless, brainless, and vile? I feel that sometimes a person's displeasure with the way the election turned out is not always phrased respectfully.

Sorry Gigi, but that's how I feel.

And to answer your question -- no, of course not. People voted for him for all kinds of reasons. I assume -- I would certainly hope! -- that most of those people are just regular people. Trump is repellent; he is crass, vindictive, petty and dishonest. His behaviour toward women and vulnerable groups of people is inexcusable. Many of those who voted for him did so holding their noses. Even those who like him, find him refreshing, or hope he will bring the change they want aren't automatically vile and brainless by association (although they may not share my own personal values). For anyone else who IS as cruel as him, a pox on them, too. Lol

What I'm saying is that I don't dislike the man for his politics alone (although we do, clearly, differ on politics!). I'd still have a low opinion of him if he were a Democrat.

I think it is very hard to seperate politics and fashion.

I agree with both AM & Janet.

Angie has been a great moderator but she walks a very fine line.

I'm always on YlF and from what I've seen and read many have taken the time to self-moderate or have been open to reminders to keep it civil.

I've always been interested in the polotical history of fashion. Women in general.

Even protest because as we or I look back from slavery, the womens vote movememt from the sit ins of the 50 & 60 to womens lib to the right to life march held recently or the protest for or against.

As I look back I can see fashion interwoven into the polotical landscape.

Just like fashion polotics has an ebb and flow a give and take. There is no right or wrong there just IS.

Frankly I stay with YLF because of the freedom and sense of community that Angie Inge and Greg. Along with all of us have created.

This has never been just a fashion website as stated before. It hits a sweet spot that I wish politics could hit.

I think YLF reflects the times we live in and as a wide community. Almost no one here dresses the way I do but that is okay because somehow we tend to find a common ground. As long as we have empathy and respect of person I think we can move forward.

Plus i live vicariously through many here working sometimes 12 hr days.

I wish there were more post from the WIW to Tumps inauguration or the recent right to life march.

I'm glad we have people who choose to be concerned with what goes on and are passionate but still respectful about differing view points.

To that I add Angie for President or my favorite Judge Judy.