Staysfit and everybody...I'm now wondering how long you're willing to stay out shopping, as well as how long you're willing to drive... I sorta resent my once a week 4-hrs out. Kills my day. But then I'm kinda cheap. I could reduce my time out by sticking to my neighborhood grocery...but I'd triple my grocery bill...

In Berlin I usually do my shopping on the way somewhere, I just plan my public transportation routes accordingly. Back when I was living in a more rural area there were train trips with friends to the nearest city, usually 30 minutes each leg of the journey. Shopping with my parents and siblings meant setting aside half of the Saturday and a car trip of 45 Minutes all together. That didn't happen very often so we always shopped until we had everything that was needed. We never just "had a look". I do that more often now since the stores are just there, but not as often as I used to because I dislike a lot of the merchandise.

Same with grocery shopping - my family used to buy once on the weekend, sometimes during the week. All at once and with the car. I don't have a car in Berlin so I have to lug around everything I buy. That means I usually go to the supermarket that is farther away but more student budget friendly once a week, and buy additional things as needed on my way home in between in the more expensive supermarket around the corner.

Rachy, that's a great question! I hate wasting the day shopping and running errands. Like you, I have a couple of circuits. Some smaller than others. The Staysfit family has a low tolerance for shopping. However, the Staysfit children have had to learn to tolerate shopping, so shopping trips have necessarily been very short and structured.

Short circuits occur weekly:
For our typical short circuit shopping we can generally go to no more than three stores in any given outing, spending no more than 20-30 minutes in any one place, so we have to have a very specifically designed purpose for being there. If we are grocery shopping, it is amazing that we can create a menu for the week and run through the store which is huge, and fill the cart and check out in 30 minutes. A typical shopping circuit might include groceries, the hardware store and Old Navy. Or maybe Best Buy, Office Max and Barnes and Noble. Another errand run may be going to the bank, post office and cell phone store. Typically, we are never out for more than 2-2.5 hours. I think 3 hours would be a maximum. The furthest distance would be 6-10 miles which takes at most 20 minutes to drive from our house.

A long circuit is something that occurs rarely. Maybe less than once a month. That would be me only, often going alone, with a friend, or possibly with my DH. My DH does some of the long circuit shopping himself without me as well. I am grateful that we can divide this task! For a long circuit I might go to the mall, which is 17 miles/30 minutes from home for 3-4 hours without any clear plan, or I might go to the outlet malls which are just over an hour drive, and around 60 miles from home. I never spend more than 2-3 hours at the outlet mall.

I just checked on some rarely visited stores for kicks and found that the Costco is 34 minutes from my house/ 23 miles; SAMs club is 25 minutes/12 miles, and Walmart & BJ's are also 25 minutes/11 miles. I definitely go by time. Anything over 20 minutes away is a long circuit and is rarely visited. Time is a valuable commodity for us!

I am fortunately to have a mall less than 15 minutes from me, so I go there. And an outlet mall is 30 minutes from me, which is another go to place. I will venture up to an hour, but that is a rare occasion and usually for when I am spending time with friends or need something really specific and the closer places are not working out.

To answer Rachy's question I don't really like to shop for more than an hour or two at a time. I get easily overwhelmed and overstimulated, especially if it's crowded (ha, classic introvert behavior). That's one reason I don't like to travel far to shop and why I don't really like malls. What I like best is popping into a store or two on my way home from work (or on lunch break if only I worked near some shopping). Little bite sized bits of shopping.

The only time I do all day shopping is at YLF meetups! But then it's more like socializing anyway and I don't buy or even necessarily try on a lot.

I'm with Diana, I like efficient shopping if such a thing exists. I don't like to spend all day in a store.
I shop for clothing mostly online and sometimes in stores, mostly close to me but I don't mind driving to the mall which is a little away.
As far as groceries I used to go weekly but now that my job situation changed on top of the other things I have been through, I go a bit more often to buy what will be consumed in the next few days, so that the produce is extra fresh, the price is the best and there is less waste. Some specialty items I get at Whole Foods which is a little further than my usual stores.
Wegman's is a really nice store. They have it in Western NY by where DD studies, I wish they had it here too.

Interesting hearing about all the different life settings and shopping strategies. I travel about 5-15 miles to shop for most things. I have shopped online for a lot more clothing, housewares and gifts in the past two years due to lack of choice in B&M, and lack of time due to work load. If I also had children at home, I would certainly forgo even more shopping trips.

I live in a small town 5 miles on rural roads outside a medium size city area (130,000). My grocery store and department stores are all within 20-25 minutes drive, depending on traffic. I do not have access from home to public transportation, so all errands are done by car. I do grocery shopping about every two weeks, with an extra stop for miscellaneous items in between sometimes.

I find clothing shopping more difficult and time consuming than in the past as the local department stores carry less merchandise and less quality than ever, and size selection is poor even for standard items like black dress slacks and skirts (a rack of one style will have one of each size EXCEPT mine, for instance.) We have a general selection of brand stores such as JJill, Talbots, Chico's, Dress Barn, Loft, Christopher Banks, and department stores like Macy's, Kohl's, JCPenney, etc, and TJMaxx. Once a season I take time to plan and make an effort to buy several pieces to fill in and/or replace worn or outdated items. But I like to browse, so when work schedules aren't too demanding, I peruse the stores every 4-6 weeks at least, usually but not always picking up a thing or two.

If I had time, I would also go to basically the same stores in two different cities within an hour's drive, as those seem to carry bigger variety and size selections. There is an outlet mall about 1.25 hr. away that I love, but can't get there often anymore.

Truly BIG city shopping is over 2.5 hours away - I only get there if I have to attend a conference, as it is no longer the home of my daughter.

Just for fun: I am here at the dermatologist in the city, downtown. It's basically the 10 mile trip. My appt is 'scheduled' for 10 am. I left home at 8. I figure I will have been gone from home 6 hours for a 20 min visit.

Right. And there aren't even any magazines in this waiting room!

If I have any energy or tolerance left, maybe I'll look in one store. Because I'm not coming back to shop, that's for sure. Lolol.

I'm too impatient (and have little to no free time) with how long it takes to get to the store, find parking, search through racks of clothing, try things on and then stand in line to pay. I just buy everything online. I sometimes buy multiples of things (different sizes of the same shoes, for example), keep the ones that fit and drop the rest off at UPS on my way to buy groceries or something. I suppose I would like going out to stores more if time weren't in such short supply for me.

My answer is essentially the same as Diana's, which is unsurprising since we live right near each other, except I don't have a husband with a car so I *never* go out to the malls in the suburbs. I do sometimes pool together with friends and go to nicer or more specialty grocery stores further out. Never done this for clothes, since I have the Internet

Rachy, 6 hours for a 20 minute derm. appointment! Wow! My blood pressure went up hearing that! That sounds like a terrible inconvenience. An entire work day wasted for a 20 minute doctors appointment?! Or maybe you took a sick day or vacation day, which is just as bad! I would feel too tired from my aggravation to feel like shopping with what little time I might have available afterwards. Are dermatologists scarce where you live? There aren't many around here but it doesn't take 6 hours round trip!

When I used to live in the city, a supermarket was hard to get to but otherwise I was out walking every day and would often browse favorite stores. When I lived across the street from a commuter train, I used to impulsively take the short ride to the city quite often, at least weekly.

I don't drive and when I once remarked to my son that it would be kinda cool living on an island and letting the world come to me by mailboat, he observed that we more or less already have that. We're in a dangerous small city with lousy public transportation and if you would want to attend any evening event, you have to figure in a cab and they can be highly unreliable. I was listening to the radio the other day and the host had a crush on Lisa Loeb and interviewed her. She was appearing for free in a nearby small outdoor amphitheater. Well, two buses and a good hike into the park. I could have had my husband drop me off there but he works at night and I would be left struggling to get a cab back at night.

Both my husband and I hate grocery shopping. Son loves it, though. We live in what they like to term a food desert. The only full size supermarket in the entire city was in walking distance but they closed. Before we had a car, I or we used to walk up with a wheeled shopping cart. Then we got tired of that and used to take the gypsy cabs home. That was the best part of the trip because I used to love the old guys and their stories about life. After a couple of years they installed a cut price grocery in that location and we go once in a while. We don't like their merchandising. They have very little variety but seemingly hundreds of the same few things.

There is an okay fruit and vegetable stand not far away, about a mile. Husband hates it and it's risking getting your car dented to try to park there. We go very rarely. Some people recommended a long established similar stand in a nearby community and we tried it once and it was overly crowded and wasn't alluring to us.

Husband would be overjoyed to order groceries online but as yet we haven't resorted to this. We tend to have a little circuit we do about once a week. We may start at the far end, a few miles down the road, and hit the bakery for rolls and then on the return trip may stop at the liquor store. We probably do this no more than once a month because, remember, we hate shopping. We do go to a supermarket nearest home but we really hate it. Buy as little as possible there. I love Aldi's. The main reason is that I like the chocolate available plus they're on the smaller side and it feels like it's a quick affair. We used to go to one just on the outskirt of our city, that was a bit closer, but husband got fed up with the aggressive panhandlers. Now we go to one a bit further out and it's worth the extra few minutes to get there. However, each of them seems to have trouble keeping stocked and this is annoying to me. What market runs out of sugar? Why are there *no* oranges that day?

I was recently talking to my son about the idea that some people have that how you behave with food/eating is like what you do about clothing. He disagreed. He loves to watch cooking shows and eat out and experiment with new foods. But he points downward to himself and says I can see he only wants to wear essentially the same thing. I used to be a hobby cook but have long ago lost interest. Hubby is now the only one who both loves to cook and does. Most of my friends and acquaintances are foodies of one degree or another. They never tire of reciting to me the ingredients of every course they have. As I've aged, I've become like my parents. Even though they had a restaurant for some years when I was growing up, they liked fairly plain food and not much variety. I no longer want my food sauced or made "interesting" in any way. I have no interest in variety. I am too impatient and active to like to sit in restaurants and tend to be highly critical of what is found there. I have no interest in holidays focused around big meals.

Clothes, though, it's the exact opposite. There I like variety and new ideas and combinations. Colors and textures and experimentation. But I hate malls. There is one not so far away by car - about ten miles - and about 45 minutes by bus. I end up in a mall maybe once every year or two. I don't like the sameness of the ideas I find there. I also quickly tire of the music and the darkened or overly bright lighting.

There is a semi-outlet mall a few minutes away by car - we tend to go there for Home Depot hardware stuff or something from Joane's Fabrics, which is a lousy sewing store but may have a replacement separating zipper if my husband breaks one in his work jacket. They're on the same bus route as the mall but a little closer in, shorter ride. They tend to have stores like Talbots, whose merchandise I like when I thrift it. They're in a former racetrack and set up like a small outdoor city of shopping. The traffic is nightmarish within its "streets." They have a Wegman's there for those who are interested. I have *never* been inside any of the many clothing stores there. My reasoning is like some kind of inversion of Angie's rule about leaving no stone unturned. I always feel that no matter what store I enter, even a hardware store or a supermarket, I could potentially spot something to wear. I purposely keep to a very low clothing budget and shopping retail would soon blow my budget. I used to shop end of season clearance but no longer do. How do I know what I'll want to wear the next year? So I try to shop in season. Though I have a weakness for coats and have been known to pick up another one in June at the thrift store.

I purposely limit my thrifting, too. I won't do town wide yard sales and not yard sales, in general. I don't like how fierce people are about the stuff they're getting rid of and will end up at the curb for trash pickup after it's all over. I have one Goodwill I like that is small and is in the same town as the farther Aldi's. I can get there by bus easily. I don't go more than a time or two a year, though. I like the Goodwill by the pound outlet but there's no public transportation to it and I haven't been for over a year. I wouldn't want to spend more than an hour or so in any case.

Oh, I can easily go to Philadelphia to shop but I never want to. When my husband had regular physical therapy after having his hamstring reattached, I used to go in with him and would shop during his appointment. I had the same experience as with the mall. Just nothing interesting me. I stopped bothering to look.

Anyway, I also limit my regular thrift shopping. There are 3 main stores I go to with my friend. All are church thrift stores and exceedingly inexpensive. One we go about every week for an hour or so. Another is open only 2 mornings a month and not at all over the summer. Same with a third down the street from the second. That one's open one morning a week and not at all during the summer. I don't go to the 2d and 3d every time they are available. My friend and I tend to go to one of these for about 15 minutes and either one of our husbands will drive us up the street or we will walk. We spend about an hour in that one. My friend tends to shop for her and her husband's entire extended family and friends and is a very fast shopper and done in five or ten minutes. I need more time because I try on.

I like that each of these stores is pretty small and the stock doesn't change all that much. I find it easier to focus. Also, people tend to shop in a certain palette or style or brand. So they donate that way and it's almost like shopping a boutique. Plus I've been shopping these same stores for so many years that the volunteers will often say, "We were hoping you would come in because we had this gorgeous coat you would have liked." or "We knew you'd get that!" And one of the stores is really like a social outing because the regular customers and the volunteers have been sharing their lives for so long and my friend and I will help style things for others or pull things from the rack and hand it to someone whose taste and size it is. It also seems important to me that I can get to each of these same stores easily enough by bus if it turns out that way.

ETA: I have several Rainbow shops nearby and I only go sporadically but I often will find a favorite item there. And I do shop at Walmart because it's so close and we pick up household items there. I just got a chambray skirt in a beautiful almost iridescent shade there.

I don't shop online except for ebay occasionally. Ebay throws my budget off but I get about one item a month or so from there.

Derms are a dime a dozen. No, it's that I'm a complicated medical case so I go into the city to the university hospital. And going into the city is a nightmare. It is ALWAYS rush hour, but this would only matter if I drove. But I don't - there's no parking. Then, I don't want to be late. Even tho I won't actually get to see the doctor at the scheduled time, you can't be late. So since it's a bus, a train, and a trolley, I go early. And now that school is out, there are fewer buses etc. running. On the way back, my bus never came actually. I ended up taking a different one and walking several blocks.

Right now I haven't any projects that are taking me on site days and my baker's job is a nighttime one (bread baking is a night thing). So I don't have to take time off. But still...what happens is, yes, my blood pressure reading is always very bad. I basically get no sleep the night before and go in jittery on coffee. When I've been on site, I've had extremely high anxiety about it and frankly did not do all the appointments I was supposed to. But no work, no pay; no pay, no doctor anyways.

ETA: But freak out. You've just reminded me I may have a problem with my next appt and transportation times...

Hmm, my shopping patterns seem to be different. Mr. G and I live in a smallish island city which is surrounded by small farms and artisan markets. Organic, locally grown produce is very easy to obtain as is locally caught fish and hormone-free meat and chicken. It's a perfect place for foodies like us, so we buy almost all our food from our local producers.

We are also fortunate to live in a city with many small shops run by locals. Items might cost a bit more, but the quality and service standards are high, so we feel we get our money's worth by supporting these independent businesses.

I rarely shop at chain stores, discount outlets, or online these days. While there are some good local consignment and thrift stores, I usually don't shop them because I lack the patience to sort through racks to find the gems.

We can get to most of the places we shop by foot or bike, so we only use the car if we are buying large or heavy items. The built-in exercise offsets the extra minutes it takes to get to and from the shops or farm stands.

Gaylene, it sounds like you live in a great location! I would love to live someplace with those types of resources.