Very interesting, Diana. Well, I guess I'm just going to have to continue to try on in person until I find the magic pair that works. Grrrrr....

I wear flat walkable shoes in my business wardrobe. I've found that flat but not chunky heels make a difference. Does that make sense?

Makes sense, Melllls -- just not for me, since they don't stay on, unless they are tie-ons like oxfords. Well....it is a never ending quest! This is why I tend to wear sandals and booties almost exclusively.

Reading with interest, because I empathize somewhat, with a wider forefoot and narrower heel (although I do have ballet flats that work great for me--AGLs are my favorites). I don't have anything new to add, but I will second some ideas offered above:
1) higher-vamped Gucci-look loafers (I love my new Munro Kimi, and for me, Munros are hands-down my most comfortable all-day shoes),
2) Fidji shoes for arty-refined-casual comfort (they always have some really cute summer styles, too, for refining your summer look), and
3) oxfords. I have a pair of Josef Seibel oxfords that are called "pumps," with a low heel. I like them much better on and in person than online.
Okay, I'll also add: How about an open bootie for summer? I often like Paul Green for comfort and style, and here's a cool refined version of a summer bootie that I have admired. It's even in the perfect taupe color for you:)

Even booties can be flat without a chunky heel. Or are you looking for another type of shoe for variety?

I was thinking that an ankle strapped pump with a block heel might be more stable, but a covered heel of any sort is going to be susceptible to nicks and scrapes in a way that stacked leather heels wouldn't be.

How are you set for hand-bags? Maybe you could find a bag with a really refined shape and texture that could do the lion's share of the work (instead of your footwear). As least you wouldn't have to walk in that!

Well, if they're completely flat, they won't be comfortable for me, to begin with. And yes, I'm set for booties, but want something that is more shoe-like for transitional weather -- not cold, not hot. Although more and more I am beginning to think that maybe a cut out bootie or bootie-sandal is a better bet for me! Maybe a cage sandal, even. Hmmm. More pondering.

Claire, that's a good point. I do need a handbag or two. You know I'm not much of a bag lady and tend to wear just one or two per season. But I have noticed that they really ramp up a look and I would like to make use of that.

And yes...an ankle strap pump with a small wedge would be perfect, actually. If the ankle strap were nude so it wasn't too leg-shortening for short-legged moi. I am going to hunt for that.

Firecracker, thanks! I like those Paul Greens although I would want to find some way to tuck in the laces or otherwise hide the ends. I have an incredibly strong aversion to detailing, I've realized. I mean for my own style, not for others. But this is why the Fidji's and Siebel shoes aren't like to work. They're too arty-eclectic for my personal style. However -- truthfully, I could compromise a little bit there for true practicality and comfort.

Suz, what you do think about options such as this cutout bootie-sandal with low wedge or Okala-esque pump with low wedge as well? I have ordered both pairs this morning and will report on the comfort levels when they arrive.

Tanya, I really like them both. If they were lighter colours, I would spring for them. I think that's the type of thing I have in mind -- I just need to hunt for colours that work. Thank you!

I don't have any experience with these shoes, but reviews are positive. The London Sole Knightsbridge flat looks nice, has a bit of a heel and it comes in navy and even pink.

http://www.londonsole.com/products/view/KBLS03

I agree with Diana and find my Born flats to be super comfortable (not so my J. Crew). I really learned a lot from catnip's comments and I'd love to find vildy's article, which sounds great.

http://www.londonsole.com

http://www.londonsole.com/shop/new_arrivals

I was thinking a cut out bootie with very angular or triangular cut-outs with shiny buckles instead of laces, but instead, I found these. Do you like this style of bootie? (warning: very pricey)
http://www.farfetch.com/shoppi.....x?storeid=

I here you on the need for a light color Suz. I will keep my eye peeled on what I find as I love such type of shoes myself. So far in my own searches this week, I have found the following in lighter colors:
1. a bootie with only a small cutout ( I keep considering it)
2. a gorgeous pointy wedge I am stalking myself
3. multicolor pump with shades of berry!
4. dainty low wedge
5. my personal favorite T-strap wedge . Look at the rose gold!
6. stunning light grey wedge

Claire, you are asking me if I like those gorgeous St. Laurent booties???

I should award you a comedy button as well!

Of course I like them. But...um....yes. Well. My finances do not extend quite that far, alas....

This doesn't really answer the problem I came with, but what about this caged sandal? The heels seems very high, but more than 150 reviews say the thing is magical. I was thinking of the light grey.

Tanya, that's it exactly!!! I adore the second pair you linked to -- I've been watching those ever since you pointed them out to me a few months ago. But I also think the styles of some of these others could potentially work as well. LOVE the last ones (of course -- they are pricey!) But I also agree that the T-strap has real potential.

Thank you so much for these leads. This will help me sharpen my eyes.

*ducking* Sorry! I should have said they were for inspiration purposes only.

I love the second ones Tanya linked to for you as well. The materials are a little casual (suede, stacked wedge heel) but the shape is pure refinement: the best of both worlds, IMO.

Suz, have you tried some of the French brands like Arche and Thierry Rabotin? The shoes are designed for serious walking but many of the styles are quite a bit more refined than the traditional comfort shoe styles. The French lasts are also more likely to fit a narrower heel. I know that Ron White in TO used to carry both lines, but I tend to have more success in some of the independent shoe shops on the Danforth, West Bloor, and Queen shops. Montreal is also a good place to check out these lines.

I've had such a busy day, I've been missing good stuff!

Well, you know I'm all over the idea of casual with a steady flow of refinement, and my "real life" gets in the way of my Diva aspirations daily! Unfortunately, what fits my, um, generous foot is likely to fall off of yours.

I saw the Vince Camuto you linked to in Nordies last week and my eye was drawn to it immediately. The leather is soft. It might be a bit high volume of course. I so wished I had tried it on in the store. I could have told you had wide and full it runs.

Like you, I've sworn off the pancake flat shoe. Technically, I can still wear them -- particularly in stores that cater to peasant feet, such as Target and Payless. I'm just trying to be a grown up about it, realizing that my feet need to last me another few decades, God willing, and I must treat them better!

I have seem a bunch of pointy flats with ankle straps and slight wedges. Too delicate for my leg, I think, but they might work well for you.

I'm sticking with my suggestion of a refined loafer with a 1.5 to 2 inch heel. And perhaps an almond toe wedge with a strap.

Diana, maybe you needed a wide size in the Munros.

I have the same problem with slippage but flats are okay for me. I have caged sandals, cut-out booties & this year I found a pair of pointy toe summer shoes that have a black back, a white toe & a silver ankle strap - they seem to work with everything

There is a frye loafer with the heel height Angie is recommending (that I ruled out of course for that very reason, i need the pancake flat myself...) but it may be too rugged looking for you with the chunky heel?

http://www.zappos.com/frye-oti.....ge-leather

Wow I am dizzy from the wonderful shoe ideas on this thread. I wear pointy shoes with ankle straps but I don't have the same foot issues. I will vouch for Arche, which have served me very well in the past. I love Angie's suggestion of a pointy toe higher vamp loafer but have no specifics to suggest - am looking forward to seeing what you find though!

This is a fascinating thread, Suz. I'm in the same boat. When I was a kid, I remember my mom cursing my narrow heel! Shoe shopping was a nightmare. I too have problems with flats slipping off. I did find a pair of Borns last summer that stay on, but they cause me the most muscle tension of almost any shoe in my wardrobe. When I put them on, I feel my whole body tipping backward, and I need to use the muscles on the front of my legs A LOT to keep myself upright. I'm exhausted after walking just half an hour.

Suz, you talked about finding your ideal heel height. That inspired me to look online, and I found an article about it, in case anyone is interested. It was actually written by a podiatrist: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/hea.....-heel.html. According to this, my ideal height is roughly 2.5". So I'm similar to you. And in fact, my most comfortable heels are those that are 2.5"-3.0".

I am with Shiny in wondering if wearing excessively cushioned shoes does more harm than good (if you wear them all the time). I never used to have foot problems. Then I switched to "comfort shoes," because they felt great! Well, after several years of wearing such shoes, I find I have a problem with anything that is NOT a comfort shoe! Of course, it could just be aging, but I can't help but wonder if my feet and leg muscles have gotten lazy. I do find that now that I have started wearing heels, I think I am building up some strength.

As to offering you helpful advice, I'm afraid I have none other than to commiserate. I think maybe the only option is boots or booties with a chunky heel at your ideal heel height for winter wear (at least in my case, being able to wear socks helps the heel slippage enormously), and strappy footwear with as chunky a heel as you can get away with in your ideal height for warmer weather. Also, as the above article references, try to make sure that the shoe heel is right under the center of your foot's heel. I have noticed that a lot of designers are making shoes with the heel almost straight up and down way at the back of the foot, and that does not support the foot very well. I think that shoes are easier to walk in when the high heel curves back under the foot so that the body weight is directed down through the center of the heel of your foot.

If you can handle a bit of a platform (I sometimes can do .5" without looking like a clown), I have found that that helps my comfort level, because the extra rubber in the platform absorbs some of the shock from pounding the pavement. I have a pair of heels from the Clarks Indigo line that are heavenly. I think they have a .5" platform and are the equivalent of a 2.5"-3.0" heel. Plus, they have straps to hold your foot in. I had absolutely no pain other than a blister when I wore them for the first time.

Gigi - that's it! That's the article that Vildy linked to a while ago, or at least the little test is the same. Thank you! I hope it helps somebody else. And interesting that it proved valid for you as well!

And you're right -- boots and booties are great (the socks, and I think also the high vamp help); and sandals (straps keep them on).

I can manage a small platform quite happily and agree with you that it can be a good shock absorber if made in the right materials.

Well, knock me over with a feather! I took the heel test (with DH's help), and came up with 4 3/4". I don't have any heels THAT high.

Hmm. I'm suspicious of that test. If you wear heels all the time, it shortens your calf muscles, in other words, your relaxed position would naturally be at such an angle.

I still stand by what I said earlier about always wearing flats and/or comfort shoes, and yeah I have always been more comfortable with a bit of heel. But I don't know which came first, and suspect I've shortened my calf muscles from years of mostly wearing a heel of some sort, rather than flats.

Suz, the more you describe your shoe troubles, the more I suspect my feet are shaped very similarly. I never thought my heel was too narrow, but maybe it is. I always just assumed my toe box was on the wider side of average. But maybe it is simply normal, but my heel is more narrow than average? If I size up to a 6.5 it often helps tremendously in the toe box, but the shoe does not stay on - my heel pops out. (whether flat shoe or heeled). If I stick with my usual size 6, my heel stays put but now it's too snug at the toe. If I size up to a wide width size 6, that can work but I have to have an ankle or t-strap to hold my foot in.

My other frustration is the latest ankle-strap trend, shoes like this:
http://www.dsw.com/shoe/audrey.....02&ac

http://www1.bloomingdales.com/.....99&Ca

... in any heel height... are just not working for me. I really want something like this. The ankle strap is very flattering on my small ankle; theoretically, it should work to hold my foot into the shoe. But the straps are positioned slightly too high - in an awkward place. It's that petite thing again, I think. And that piece on the back of the heel? Hits too high on the back of my ankle and rubs annoyingly!

Likewise, I really really wanted these to work, and Via Spiga shoes often do work for me (the last is perfect shape) but they were a fail because the piece in the front hits too high, in an awkward spot that rubs annoyingly and I can barely walk in them because I can't flex my ankle at all!

http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/vi.....38;context

http://shop.nordstrom.com/S/vi.....3-1-4-DL_a

... I tried every Via Spiga in the store last week... to no avail.

Booties tend to be a similar challenge for me, not just because the FPE, but also the height of the bootie needs to be just right, and the material must have a lot of stretch and give -- or I cannot flex my ankle. The Fidji's work because they are more like a shootie height and also have gores. The Impo's work because they are very very stretchy and not too high on the ankle.

Jennifer, it does sound as if our feet might be a similar shape. Did you try the Okalas yet (for the ankle strap look)? I hesitated (for the reason you mention) but they do work for me and are very comfortable/ flexible. Unfortunately, they're really a summer shoe in my climate, but I know I'll enjoy them.

Also, the back of the shoe is not closed so there is none of that painful above-the-heel rubbing. (I have that problem with shoes shaped like that as well).

Just looking at those Via Spigas I can see how they would be an issue for me, too -- they probably didn't scale down the vamp enough to match the last and/ or with the angle that a shorter foot needs to be on to work with that heel, the arch on a medium volume foot is too high for it.

I have not tried the Okala's. The description says it's 3-1/4 inch heel, which is too high for me. But then some of the reviews are saying it's more like 2-1/2 or 3 inches? What is the reality? Which color did you get? I may give them a whirl, if they are working for you....

The heel is in no way as high as they say. It's more like 2.5 (if that). Angie has them and finds them super comfortable, which should tell you something.

I got the pony (black and white) with the tan ankle strap. Reason being, I wanted a light coloured ankle strap, since a dark one would be super leg shortening on me. (Even though I'm about 5'4" my calves are proportionately short, so ankle straps are "iffy" on me.)

I'm also considering the nude colour of those if I can't find something else I like.

Hmmm. Tough choice (I'm looking on Zappo's). I have been looking for black sandals, these could definitely fit the bill, but the leopard is totally cute... however I already have leopard booties so maybe not... the saddle/black is another option as I have nothing like that right now.... (I have nude heels so I would try something different for this.)

Go with the black or go with the saddle/black?

I also have these sitting in my Zappo's cart right now:
http://www.zappos.com/frye-rei.....fed-nubuck

I tried them on in the store, in a 5.5 which was too small but all they had left. They are a bit heavy for my tastes, as all Frye's are, but I loved the fit and the light color. What do you think of them? I am on the fence. I want a light colored bootie for spring, but not a suede, because for some odd reason I can never wrap my head around suede + spring.