And... now I’m remembering how the only time I’ve ever had hair and makeup done for an event was prom... and that was the 80s and product was so different... and I *did* cardboard my hair every day... and by the 2000s, when I was maid of honor for my oldest, dearest friend... well that was all so over, *I* did her wedding makeup. (She was, btw, completely insane in my book for having me do her makeup. Lol )(Not that I think I did a bad job, just for the gamble that really was, haha!)

I’m guessing the gloss is due to Brazilian or other types of keratin straightening treatments. I did those for a while and it was jaw-dropping what a difference it made in terms of increasing gloss and getting rid of frizz. But it is super expensive, takes forever, smells terrible and I’m sure it’s not good for the scalp!

And I agree it is so noticeable, this uniformity of appearance! It’s a pet peeve of mine. Why is short hair still so under appreciated?

I just happened to see an interview with Michelle Obama’s hair stylist about how her style for today was done: https://apple.news/AC7gtQiDGQLuUNyUQqTymZQ

Omg, Jenn. I clicked. I don’t even begin to know what a ‘curl set to lock in curls’ means! Lol!

Jessi: it occurs to me the most powerful women on the world stage from Europe, have short hair. I’m thinking Christine Lagarde really.

But have to be honest... have been thinking more now about Sal’s ‘NZ hair’ thought... and to be honest, I can’t say I look as much at the hair of powerful non-entertainer public-eye women from other countries. When their words are reported here, well, one has to grab at the chance - the content is first and foremost... ok, so listen peeps: I did a google on Jacinda images. Look at the difference in her hair between Time v The Guardian.

... I realise one is posed and one isn’t... but that is some Turtle Hair on the Time cover and I’m thinking some Americans jumped Jacinda... may not be true, but I’m thinking it...

Nuancedream thank you so much your words encourage my heart.

Jen I loved the link for Michelle O hair. It was so pretty

Just reading everyone’s thoughts

DonnaF, I haven’t read her book yet (but I gave it to my son’s GF), but I remember the shock waves soon after her husband left office when Michelle Obama wore her hair naturally.

Sterling/Toronto, I always associated being good looking with pushing myself to do stuff like wear makeup and do my hair (I think the way some people feel about their bodies/losing weight is how I feel about this stuff). It was so eye-opening and such a relief once to hear a college boyfriend make jokes about needing a paint scraper to get make-up off a girl’s face to be close to her. My jaw dropped and he and I had a long conversation with his roommate that rocked my world. I had always figured that all of us in the honors dorm were the ugly nerds, because most of us didn’t spend time on those things (although there was a pair of roommates with exactly the hair RL describes). These guys actually preferred less made-up looks! Seems normal to me now, and my son wants a simple girl like mama, but at the time it was revolutionary to think I might not have to do those things. (I later learned about professional requirements for business, but they never had the same oppressive weight for me).

Back to the original question: piecey long hair is the style that always seems so “fancy” and elusive to me. I have no idea how to do it, even if I had the right cut.

A good blow out does last a few days. You can make use of ponytail styles and dry shampoo after day 1 and 2. It actually strikes me as an efficient way to deal with the expectations - the validity of which are another topic.
I actually love the old fashioned idea of getting one’s hair shampooed and set once a week and then not worrying about it.

So MO has professional fashion stylist, make up artist and hairdresser on her staff? That makes me sad. I know she was the wife of the president, not in a political role herself, but she had enough policy initiatives herself and has had enough of a professional life aside from being First Lady that I’d like to think of her as a role model for holding very visible professional roles. I really don’t want to see the women who are Vice President and eventually president he pressed into having a portion of their staff devoted to their appearance. If gorgeous, fit MO, who apparently was picking her own clothes the first few years her husband was in office felt she needed pro help, what’s anyone else to do?

I highly doubt she employs professional stylists, makeup and hair artists on a full time basis -- such professionals are often hired for a day's services for special occasions, and the inauguration events certainly qualify. I know several MUA's and hair stylists who do just this kind of work.

I was just thinking about that the other day as I was looking at my dentist's receptionist : perfect hair. American hair is much more precise that European hair. Part of it has been due to electricity costs. The Europeans I know tend to have very high electricity costs and aren't going to waist it on a hair dryer or straightner. I have also found that like nail salons, hair salons just weren't that ubiquitos in Europe until a bit more recently. But my cousin's daugher just opened a salon in the Azores....she had to go to England to school because there were so few in Portugal and they were all full. She doesn't do stick straight hair like we see here. It reminds me of the difference with eyeglasses. Europeans always have such cool eyeglasses. Whereas were a bit more staid here. ( except for Angie of course.....wink wink )

( PS...a friend of mine who has hair like this takes about 45 mins everyday to wash and blow it out with a round brush. My arms would hurt too much. )

Precise is a good word. American Hair is very controlled. Interesting about hair dryers, electricity, and ubiquity of salons. Never thought about that before. I can’t recall ever seeing a salon anywhere but here at home, not that I ever looked. The only time I’ve ever had ‘work done’ abroad, the salon was in someone’s house!

FI, your comment makes me realise... well, I think if I were one of these ladies I’d be too busy with the reading... so maybe I *would* outsource this stuff, because I really couldn’t be bothered. That’s an interesting thought... I’d probably still want to go to Target. If nothing else, to keep in touch with the world.

This is a bit of a tangent, but last night I was watching an episode of ‘Shetland’ and one of the (20 something) characters who has braces, when asked about it, volunteers that she doesn’t want ‘Scottish teeth’. In another incident, it is reported that Donald Sutherland was self conscious about his overly perfect dental veneers when playing the role of Mr. Bennett in ‘Pride and Prejudice’, and his mannerisms (covering his mouth with his hand, etc.) reflected this.


I’m all for dental hygiene and a little styling enhancement, but it makes me sad when it’s at the cost of individuality.

Americans, we’re totally famous for our big white teeth. Ohmigosh. If you ever watch any of the over-the-air rerun channels... the commercials are a hoot. It’s almost surprising we have teeth, all the stuff we do to them has to do damage...

RL, i think I’d be too busy to muck with it at all, except for special occasions. I’ve got no problem with having specialists do it then, but the article Jenn posted sounded to me like MO has the same sort of all-the-time stylists that Hollywood starlets have. That does not sound like a time-saver to me.

My son would like to have his “dental uniqueness” erased. He and some other kids tried something “clever” when he was around 5th grade and took off the bottoms of his top front teeth.

I guess the problem is like for Duchess Kate, everyday you’re attending a special occasion - special at least for the someone else. Award ceremonies, etc. For a First Lady in any case. I’m predicting Kamala will not be spending her days like this... ETA: ‘cuz now that I think about it, Amy Klobuchar’s hair was on the normal side.

I most certainly hope you’re right about Harris! And Kate is probably a better comparison for MO.

Actually, good point: maybe my impressions are partly because we Americans are *like* last on board with women in high office. Not like I have many boss ladies’ hair to look at...

I noticed that Hillary was back to a polished hairdo, after letting it look average/normal normal after not becoming President 4 years ago. I remember thinking a few years back that it must be nice for her to be able to just put her hair in a ponytail and hike in the woods. I imagine many of the women in power bristle at the time it takes.

A friend of mine talked about an article she read about Hillary - how she had to ‘do’ hair and makeup everyday during the campaign or she was criticized about her appearance.

i remember seeing a picture of Michelle Obama and she had curly hair. So this look for the Inauguration was special.

Love this thread. Christine Legarde is good example of short hair!

Kate M is so polished and her mum was an air hostess and trained the old fashioned way I should think, so I think it is much more second nature for Kate M to always be well turned out.

It makes me realise that celebs of years ago, Jackie K, Audrey H, were very naturally beautiful.

Kate M definitely travels with a hair stylist. This is an interesting article on the kit apparently packed by her stylist https://www.glamour.com/story/.....ts-blowout

Someone needs to write a tell-all stewardess beauty secrets book!

Great link re Kate’s stylist’s arsenal. Unscented hair spray! I NEED that!

I have the unscented Elnet hair spray and love it. It is packaged in giant cans, the travel size might be better for a trial.

I never knew there was such a thing! I’m all excited now. Elnet! Target has Boots, but probably not the hairspray...

While I agree with everyone saying they have their hair done by pros, I still want to mention that doing heat styling yourself isn't necessarily going to turn the hair into straw. I'm a heat styling lover and my hair is just fine. Some of the tips are: use a quality tool (Babyliss flat iron is my go-to tool), ALWAYS use a heat protectant of any sort (I mix sprays and oils), moisturize your hair (leave-in conditioners work fo me), don't work with extreme temperatures, make pauses for a couple of weeks to let your hair rest.

The things you learn on this forum.l did not know that hair had a nationality or that there was such a thing as American hair
l live,l learn.

Super tips, Mikky! Do you have any recommendations for heat protectants? I find them difficult to find... or I don’t really understand the labels.

Lol, Cardiff girl! I can’t say I ever go ‘Belgian hair!’ ... but there is just a look that makes me jump up and down and go *Look! American hair! American hair!* It maybe goes back to when I was watching the country music awards show and I was like *there’s Jewel! ... no wait, there’s Jewel... no wait...*