https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail Style Advice for Fashion Lovers en-US Sat, 09 May 2026 10:08:55 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/search.php https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88401 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:21:32 +0000 Sarah 88401@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I saw the show, and don't consider it a "fail" at all.<br /> I don't always agree with S&#38;C 100% but they were right on that one, no question.<br /> A trend isn't automatically a good thing on everybody. This particular fit of that particular trend was not good on this participant at all.<br /> Whether or not we like the basics, I think most of the MOs on this show are completely clueless and need to start from the beginning. I think that's where S&#38;C are coming from. I still watch the show because I think it's good for me to be reminded of these things, even now.<br /> I did also catch the T&#38;S show. They, along with S&#38;C have great TV personalities, and if they were sweet and nice we'd get bored. That's why they have Carmindy and Ted Gibson. :)<br /> Great shows, both of them. I guess if I ever get bored or don't like their style I can watch something else. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88400 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:52:36 +0000 Mae 88400@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>R&#38;J- I would SO sign up for the show you propose. It would be so much easier to have a stylist analyze my closet, help me decide what can be salvaged with tailoring, and such. Didn't Tim Gunn try something like that?</p> <p>Yet, while I say that, I also wonder if having someone do it for you would eliminate an important step in the process of transforming oneself. In order to truly develop your personal style, maybe a little bit of pain, indecision, and trial and error are necessary... Maybe that's why this forum is so helpful- it's a guide as well as a living place that allows individuals to try new things, with helpful, supportive comments by a group of like-minded others. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88398 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:20:43 +0000 April 88398@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I actually saw a little bit of another makeover show last night that I deeply, deeply disliked. I won't mention the name, but let's just say that the title of the show is a question. They had family members confronting the victim (no other word for it) in a way that I found quite disturbing, before they selected what they considered the worst pieces from her wardrobe and verbally slaughtered each one. </p> <p>Whereas the participants on WNTW are usually playing along (even when they're resisting getting rid of their old clothes) this woman was in tears at all the hurtful things her family was saying. Let's hope this is not the wave of the future in style-related programming. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88395 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:53:56 +0000 RobinAshleySmith 88395@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Casey-- I am with you on them doing the ABC's well and that they only have 45 minutes to get it all in....</p> <p>I for the most part do like the clothes they pick out and it is almost always a HUGE improvement on the person in the end---I do wish they would take into consideration a little bit more climate and the person's daily needs...it isn't practical for a daycare worker to be in wedges, she will break her ankle. </p> <p>And I was actually happy when tghe old hair stylist Nick Arrojo left...because I think he was guilty of the one size fits all mold-- he gave everyone that sat in his chair a short bob, or a short bob with bangs...which does not work for everyone, he didn't let ayone keep their long hair, young or old-- while Stacey and Carmindy both have long hair, and neither are in their twenties. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88364 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:13:37 +0000 RoseandJoan 88364@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I really liked Trinny and Susannah's show when they first started on the BBC. The show was just half an hour long and totally focused on the makeover. As the show grew in popularity the programme was moved from BBC2 to BBC1 the BBC's flagship station and the show was extended to an hour. This is when the psychoanalysis began and I started to lose interest, does every person in need of a makeover have major psychological issues?</p> <p>I would love to see a makeover show where a persons wardrobe and lifestyle are taken into account. We are shown what can be salvaged, what can be altered and the spaces that need to be filled. The trouble is this would probably take a series rather than an episode and that would be too much of a risk for any production company. </p> <p>The YLF bog and forum have been an inspiration to me. Seeing real women transform for themselves is fantastic and Angie really is the perfect mentor. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88358 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:33:31 +0000 casey 88358@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I agree with you, Maya, that WNTW tends to be a little too "one size fits all" in terms of style. However, think about some of the most commonly asked questions on this site (I may not post much but I am always browsing around!): "what is my body type?" and "what should my pants length be?" Also commonly seen is "I need to build a wardrobe from scratch and I'm overwhelmed!". I think starting from scratch entails some well fitting pants, some nice tops that can be dressed up or down, and a dressier skirt/dress of some sort. That's basically where WNTW leaves the participants - with the very basics covered. If they stick with those basics they have a very classic albeit a bit conservative wardrobe. However, if they choose, they can build from there.</p> <p>I do agree that a nod should be given to styles other than "sophisticated", I just don't know how they'd do it without becoming overwhelming. In my opinion WNTW is targeting a different demographic than YLF; I know several people who have learned the basics of the classic style WNTW preaches and can now put some sophisticated outfits together with minimal effort. These aren't the kind of people who would join the YLF community or even troll fashion sites. Instead, they just want to look presentable and not dowdy. I think WNTW fills that niche nicely. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88356 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 05:21:42 +0000 Maya 88356@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Casey, I went through that phase not too long ago (I am 25) and also took a lot of advice from WNTW, so I totally know what you are going through.</p> <p>I don't mean that they should "chase every trend," but that they should at least update their concept of what is and is not suitable. Fashion evolves and changes and yet their ideas seem to stay the same. "Classic" does not mean static. New ideas and "trends" have the potential to BECOME classics. Think about it. Every classic started somewhere. One thing I adore about our Angie is that she can own up to it when she changes her mind about something, and she can accept new ideas as they come along. </p> <p>Having been in your place, I have a few thoughts on how their idea style influenced me in my early 20's. </p> <p>-First of all, they drilled the idea into my head that money=quality, and quality=essential...as if I would look like a total slob and not get a job because I looked "cheap." So at 22 years old, I thought I had to spend lots of money and get high quality pieces so they would last a long time and I would look presentable. Well guess what. Three years later, I am a completely different size and shape, and I couldn't fit into those clothes if I tried, and I realize what a mistake I made spending so much at such a young age when my body was going through so many changes.</p> <p>-Second, they really like to emphasize sophistication. In many ways this is understandable. Sophistication is a flop proof formula for being stylish. However, is it the ONLY acceptable fashion persona? Definitely not. And I would go so far as to say that for most 20somethings, it isn't even ideal. It's awkward and constricting. This is the time to experiment and be daring and have fun with clothes! It's better to embrace that while you can. I do not have a sophisticated style and I am happy about that. Maybe once I'm (much) older, I will, but for now, this is my time to go crazy. If I end up looking back and cringing, that's okay. I would rather cringe than end up regretting that I didn't take full advantage of my freedom and youth. During my early 20's, I would avoid all kinds of trends that I secretly loved because S&#38;C told me to, which was so frustrating. Once I found Angie and YLF, she sort of freed me from that. </p> <p>-From a practical standpoint, I always feel as though they don't really consider the needs of the individual person in a realistic way. Putting a SAHM in strappy 4" wedges because they are "stable" and "comfortable"? In your dreams. The SAHMs of YLF know how it's done, and that isn't it. Climate and location also rarely seem to figure in.</p> <p>So having said all that: You're right that the show is for people who are really starting from scratch, so getting them the basics is important. Some of them are just clueless, but not always. A lot of times they do care about how they look, they have the right attitude, and they come in with a strong aesthetic. All they need is some adjustment and tweaking. I just don't feel like they always take individual people and lifestyles into account as much as they should. They think they do, but everything really ends up being different variations on a theme. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88353 Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:58:58 +0000 casey 88353@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Hm, I have a totally different take on What Not to Wear. Bear with me please!</p> <p>WNTW mainly focuses on people who, for whatever reason, do not want to/are not able to invest time and money in an appropriate wardrobe. That, combined with the fact that they have to edit this all down to about 45 minutes, leaves Stacy and Clinton little room to cover much more than the basics. </p> <p>As someone who is in the middle of overhauling her wardrobe (I'm in my early 20s - that transitional age in which I'm trying to get rid of my young-looking cheapie items and add more classic, good-quality pieces to the mix), I appreciate that Stacy and Clinton teach the show participants the ABCs of fashion. I would generalize that just like no one who is interested enough in fashion and style to post on this forum would end up on WNTW, not many people who let their wardrobes get THAT out of control will care enough to seek a higher education in style. I like that Stacy and Clinton leave the participant with some versatile good-quality pieces while not chasing every trend. Maybe after they get the basics down on WNTW we should send them to Angie for round 2! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88303 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:32:06 +0000 Maya 88303@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I don't mind the snarkiness either. I guess I have a similar sense of humor to both of them and I don't mind teasing or being teased myself. Actually, maybe I'm a sadist but part of what I enjoy about the show are their comments. Some of them are really hilarious. I am waaaay past the point of watching it to learn about style, and the departure of Nick Arrojo left me cold, so really the only reason I watch anymore is for the hosts themselves. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88298 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:57:08 +0000 Mae 88298@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Interesting, Judy! Thanks for the link. I actually don't mind Stacy and Clinton's snarkiness most of the time, but I agree they go over the top. (e.g., I think Clinton said that woman looked like a mental patient a few too many times.) I do feel like they end up helping the person to understand how to dress her body better, and I always get good ideas from the outfits they put together. (T&#38;S went over the top, too, IMO, but I didn't mind that either. It was fantastic to see leggings on TV!) </p> <p>It will be nice to watch a closet makeover that doesn't involve so much meanness, though. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88295 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:06:58 +0000 judy 88295@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>A show I watched recently was Lloyd Boston's Closet Cases. It's only a half hour, I think. The last one I saw he actually did a make over on his Mom! It was great. He is always very respectful to the clients, and very kind. Ok, here's a link: </p> <p><a href="http://www.fineliving.com/fine/closet_cases/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fineliving.com/fine/closet_cases/</a> </p> <p>They also make the closet's over, and they end up looking like a beautiful store. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88290 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:27:00 +0000 Maya 88290@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I don't think the outfit was perfect as is, but it just needed a bit of rethinking and adjustment. I wish S&#38;C "rules" would evolve a little. They have been the same since I first started watching in 2004 or thereabouts. I wonder if people would complain if they became a little more trend-savvy though. I'm guessing that their loyal followers are those who believe in avoiding trends and only sticking to classics.</p> <p>Ironically on the next show, Trinny was wearing a tunic and leggings ensemble that was amazing. But it's kind of hard for me to really make a judgment about T&#38;S as stylists yet. I agree with Charlotte--there is too much psychoanalysis. On WNTW there is always some background information on the person's history and emotional baggage, but the show is still mostly about the makeover. On this show it's mostly about the baggage, and then a little bit about the makeover. I appreciate their honesty though. I know it's not going to sound nice, but it grates my nerves when S&#38;C tell every single woman that walks through about their "tiny waist." Not all of them have tiny waists, but there are still always other features to be taken advantage of. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88261 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:40:25 +0000 Angie 88261@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Thanks, Ana!</p> <p>While I like the tunic, the participant drowns in it. The sleeves are far too overwhelming and the print looks a little big for her petite frame. The length is a little off too. But to your point Maya, the concept could really work. It would have been great if WNTW actually took the same concept and got the details right as the example of the improved outfit. That would have made a nice change from the boring sausage-machine outfits we see all the time. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88204 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:18:04 +0000 April 88204@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I caught some of the WNTW show on that woman in the dress Maya is talking about. Maya, did you notice how incredibly tiny the woman was? Stacy towered over her -- she seemed like she might have been under five feet. I agree that that dress was the most grown-up thing she owned. (If you have not seen the show, the woman's issue was that she was 46 and was literally wearing things made for young children: short-pants overalls; horizontally-striped tights; brightly-colored Crocs; hair in pigtails...) But physically, she was quite tiny and that dress was a whole lot of pattern on her. Maybe that's why they dissed it.</p> <p>I must say, I only got cable TV and saw the show for the first time very recently, and I could wish it was less snarky. I love when they work with someone who really welcomes their advice, but when there is someone who does not want to change her style - why drag her kicking and screaming? It seems like there are plenty of women seeking good style advice without forcing it on anyone who doesn't. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88171 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:47:36 +0000 judy 88171@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I couldn't watch the T &#38; S show...though it's recorded so I can try again. I watched the first one a while ago when it was on, and found it tough to get through. What happened to them?? I used to be such a fan way back when they were on the BBC.</p> <p>I know what you mean about S &#38; C working in a narrower box than the advice Angie gives here. It does seem constricting. But I felt the outfit you are referring to, the leggings and the voluminous top, looked like poor quality to me, and maybe not the best fit. And for her, at that point, it constituted using her clothes to hide in. She came out in that full dress and flats at the end that was similar, but looked more pulled together and made of better materials, it seemed. They do seem rude at times, but also, the candidates often have these emotional walls that are hard to penetrate too...so it's almost like an drug intervention, full of denial, so maybe it's their version of "tough love"? </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88156 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:42:34 +0000 Maya 88156@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>That's exactly what I thought Ana. It just needs some length taken off, new shoes, and some accessories. I just felt it was a big leap to say this kind of look could NEVER work. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88145 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:24:45 +0000 Ana 88145@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I think shorter sleeves (maybe 3/4 or elbow length) and a shorter length on the dress would have worked. Those are easy alterations though. Ditch the shoes. :D</p> <p>Love her "after" haircut, very cute! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88139 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:35:13 +0000 marianna 88139@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I agree with LauraElizabeth. I missed the show but that bright dress seems a bit overwhelming and boxy on her small frame and hides her shape. It's not horrible, but not the best.</p> <p>Also, the shoes were pretty bad! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88138 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:33:41 +0000 Anonymous 88138@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Hmmm - I might be in the minority, but I don't care for the dress and leggings she was wearing - I didn't think it was very flattering on her. It wasn't horrendous, but it wasn't perfect, IMO. I didn't see the show, so I'm saying this based off of the #12 picture Ana linked to above. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88108 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:55:19 +0000 Ana 88108@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Here's a link to the slideshow:</p> <p><a href="http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/whatnottowear/slideshows/before-and-after/season-7-slideshow.html" rel="nofollow">http://tlc.discovery.com/fansi.....eshow.html</a></p> <p>Click over to #12. Is the "before" the outfit you guys are referring to? </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88105 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:38:51 +0000 Angie 88105@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>How can I see this voluminous outfit? I'm so curious. </p> <p>Also, where can I see a recap of these shows? </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88090 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:34:51 +0000 charlotte 88090@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I agree with Maya that the voluminous dress was terrific. Stacy and Clinton seem to have a very narrow (pun) view on acceptable clothes. But I was totally put off by the Trinny and Susannah show following it. When I first saw them years ago I thought they were great, but last night's show was annoying in so many ways. First, Susannah's hair at the start of the show was so unattractive - in the movies, they would use hair like this to signal LosVegas show girl who's had a hard life and is now down on her luck. I kept comparing it to the hair of the woman they were going to makeover, a cheerleading coach in Virginia - she had a short blonde bob that was very nice and the whole show I worried what they would do to her.</p> <p>But what I hated most was all the psychoanalyzing they did on this poor woman. In the name of all that's holy, why? I kept picturing a bunch of people sitting around a table saying 'how can we make an hour long show about clothes more interesting? Let's have T &#38; S try on their victim's old clothes and act doofy! and then get very serious and talk about her life until she cries! yes!"<br /> They don't realize that just showing and talking about clothes for someone who likes them is entertaining.</p> <p>Finally, I'm sitting here outside Boston, sweltering whenever I stick my head out the door, wondering when and where this cheerleading coach in Virginia is going to be wearing all these long-sleeved shirts? all this silk and formal looking stuff? arg, I don't think I can take any more T and S. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88073 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:50:14 +0000 Maya 88073@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I'm watching and waiting for the premiere of Trinny and Susannah's show. It will be interesting to compare how they work. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88071 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:47:28 +0000 taylor 88071@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>They can be too brutal...they need to add Angie to the mix...the voice of fashion reason.</p> <p>I think they do it some for drama...but they do hurt feelings, and sometimes miss the mark. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/stacy-and-clinton-fail#post-88067 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:39:56 +0000 Maya 88067@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>This woman who is on WNTW right now does, for the most part, dress pretty terribly. But right now she has on this fantastic colorful voluminous dress with a crazy pink, purple, and black print and dramatic sleeves. She is wearing it over black leggings. Aside from the fact that she is wearing two ugly shoes that don't match, it's totally cute and I can see YLF raving about it. It makes me sad that Stacy and Clinton shot her down and now she'll probably never try it again. I'm so glad this community is so open and fearless when it comes to trying and embracing new things. </p>