https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr Style Advice for Fashion Lovers en-US Tue, 16 Jun 2026 19:00:56 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/search.php https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-604130 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:00:51 +0000 LoP 604130@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>What a great discussion. I learned a lot about the pants fit as well. </p> <p>Tanya: I have the same pair of pants in cobalt blue. It's been on the forum before.I'll have to go back to those pictures and check it out. Unfortunately I won't be wearing mine for at least a year (4 months pregnant and nothing fits right, which why I've been so silent) so please enjoy yours for me. It is a great fit with or without the whiskering. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-604117 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:42:00 +0000 Inge 604117@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>What a fantastic thread, I've learnt a lot about trouser fit and fit preferences;-)</p> <p>Tanya, I absolutely adore this looser fit on you, and the cobalt is gorgeous. I think these trousers look modern and very elegant and I have a hunch you're going to have lots of fun with this new silhouette. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-604079 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:03:33 +0000 Jem 604079@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>LOL Jonesy, that works! :-)</p> <p>Angie, I've tried that, since I sew. I've never been able to get it to work. Maybe I need to try a professional! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-604071 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:49:58 +0000 Angie 604071@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Ah ha. That explains it, Jonesy :)</p> <p>Jem, seat-alteration is one way to prevent that problem. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-604070 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:46:54 +0000 Jonesy 604070@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>The whiskering was eliminated by losing 10 pounds :). </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-604066 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:44:19 +0000 Jem 604066@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>This is such an interesting discussion! I just went back and read the whole thread. I really like how the pants look on Tanya. I also like Angie's looser fit. Whenever I try to buy some pants that are looser, they just are baggy in the butt. How do you avoid that? I've always wondered about that, but maybe it's just my body shape? </p> <p>I'm also wondering about Jonesy's pictures and how the 3rd doesn't have the wiskering? </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-604051 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:28:57 +0000 Angie 604051@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Tanya, I think you (and most of us) have had a longer time to adjust to waist surrendering styles :). I'm excited to see your new top! </p> <p>Zap, you crack me up. </p> <p>Jonesy, that's a great explanation and thanks for taking the time to do that. I vote for Team Loose too (LITERALLY loose that is), and prefer as little whiskering as possible (although sometimes it is unavoidable on certain body types). How is it that the same pair of pants are not whiskering in photo #3? Did your body shape change during that course of time? </p> <p>Ladies, pleated pants tend to whisker less because there is more room on the thighs and bottom area!!! I know that's counter intuitive to pear shaped ladies who avoid that shape like the plague - but trust me on this. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-604015 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:38:09 +0000 Jonesy 604015@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Vicki, since I think I might have mentioned whiskering earlier in this thread, I will chime back in. This is just my *personal* take, of course--others probably have different definitions of whiskering :). And maybe Angie will chime back in with something definitive!</p> <p>To me, whiskering refers to those radiating lines at the crotch, caused by pants that are pulling right there at that seam. Pants could be pulling/too tight right there because they are not cut for that particular body, or because the rise is not right for that body, or because they are just too small overall. Probably other reasons too, but those are the ones that spring most readily to my mind.</p> <p>Here is a pic of me in a pair of black trousers (wool crepe) that are whiskering because they are too tight through the hips (pic 1 is front view, pic 2 side view). I posted these a while ago, when I was still cutting off my head, and while I noted the whiskering, most people who replied to my post weren't bothered by it and thought the pants looked fine. I didn't wear these outside of the house because to my eye they didn't look that good and they felt too tight to me. So again, it's a matter of personal preference here--what looks a certain way to me may not look that way to someone else, and that's okay!! As I mentioned, I bat for Team Loose, so I tend to prefer looser trousers.</p> <p>Third pic features the same pair of pants, but now there is no whiskering (i.e, no symmetrical radiating lines emanating from the crotch seam because the pants are pulling right there--it might be hard to see the difference in these pics, but IRL the difference is very clear). To my eye, they look better like this, and I am perfectly comfortable wearing them out of the house and to work.</p> <p>I think it's harder to find non-black pants that fit perfectly, because at least with black pants, the darkness can hide or mask the fit imperfections, vs. a pair of, say, white or light khaki pants.</p> <p>Just my two cents, of course, and thanks so much, Tanya, for hosting this pants discussion :). </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-603950 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:28:48 +0000 Vicki 603950@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Tanya, these pants, in color and size, look superb on you and I wouldn't change a thing. I have the Editor pants in red and must get them out and about! You wear these well and I want to see them in action!</p> <p>p.s. What is "whiskering" and does it mean the horizontal looseness of material at the crotch to look like cat whiskers? I'm clueless, and please don't laugh me out of the house. ^_^ </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-603946 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:25:55 +0000 Mo 603946@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Wow. I have been reading along and I'm not sure I get what a trouser fit should look like anymore! Call me confused. I ditched my Editors as they looked dated on me with the wide legs. I *think* pants that fit snug or straight through the hip and thigh are what I'm looking for with minimal extra fabric in the legs. Is that not what's current? For instance, I've had my eye on Gap's Modern Boot. I have worn jeans and other casual pants for so long I am adrift when it comes to dress slacks. Eek. (I thought these fit fine on Tanya, by the way) </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-603937 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:18:29 +0000 Anonymous 603937@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Just a quick point I wanted to clarify, I used the term " not as modern", not "dated".</p> <p>ETA: Nope, I re read my answer. I meant to say "not as modern", but I actually typed "not modern". Never mind on the point above. </p> <p>Please ignore me all, it was not my intention to cause hesitation on your part Tanya. </p> <p>Angie - Grandma is a riot. I quote her all the time. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-603885 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:34:33 +0000 Tanya 603885@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Thank you for reassuring me Angie! If I happen to find them I'm the next size up I will take pictures but I will not spend too much time and energy on it. You are absolutely right, looser fit, particularly on the bottoms is very new for me. Strangely, loose fit on the top is much easier to adjust to. I have recently bought a sweater in M instead of my usual XS on purpose. I will post the photo tonight </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-603874 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:27:02 +0000 Angie 603874@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>These would fit into classic and contoured to my eye, Tanya. I would have been curious to see the larger size - but this size is fine too, and besides you want to save on the waistband alteration. It makes sense that you are still adjusting to looser fits for as long as I have known you - you prefer a very form fitted look. </p> <p>Rest assured, these cobalt trousers in this size also look great! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-603856 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:17:15 +0000 Tanya 603856@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>No problem Angie. I have to admit that I am starting to have second thoughts about the fit. Maybe I indeed need one more size up? I did try it on and thought it was too big but maybe my eye hasn't adjusted to the looser silhuettes yet. Unfortunately, that size is sold out online and my store did not have it but maybe I can hunt it down in other stores. I would not like to have dated pants for sure. From your list of current fits would these be classic or they are not on the list at all. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-603827 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:53:07 +0000 Angie 603827@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>First of all Tanya, you are a GREAT sport. Thank you for graciously listening to all of our trouser fit ramblings. You rock :). And so does your new pair of cobalt Columnists. Lets see you style them up! I'm excited! </p> <p>Zap, your Gran was a wise woman and I enjoyed your perspective. </p> <p>Lisa, I agree. </p> <p>Diana, I think you'd prefer to see a fitted top with the pants. That way we will see Tanya's very defined waistline. </p> <p>Jonesy, I err on the side of loose and baggy too - and always want things loooooooooonnnnnnger than everyone else. Your MIL ramblings crack me up. </p> <p>Suz, you are so cute and earnest. Trouser fits are tricky these days for sure. There is dated, classic, and fashion forward - all of which fit a little differently. The way I see modern fits these days is like this:</p> <p>- skin tight<br /> - straight<br /> - classic and contoured<br /> - boyish<br /> - slouchy</p> <p>Anything that does not fit like the above is dated. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-603768 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:51:21 +0000 Suz 603768@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Zap, thanks for weighing in again, and Tanya, thank you for allowing a slight derailment! I found that very helpful, Zapotee. I do agree with your grandmother that where clothing is cut purposely to hold to the body (as with darts, etc.) then "sizing up" is not a good idea; it fits or it doesn't fit (and it SHOULD fit!!) Although of course there are various kinds of cuts. </p> <p>And yes, I hear you...it looks as if trousers are either voluminous, or slightly slouchy (as in Angie's pic) or narrow these days. And of course the PLACEMENT of the volume is also key. Volume on the sides (as in my fuchsia pants) is not a good thing these days...we are looking for volume in other places, other ways. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr/page/2#post-603678 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:21:11 +0000 Lisa 603678@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Great new trousers! As a pear shape, all trousers and jeans have a whiskering effect on me. In jeans it's never as noticeable because the material is thick and there is usually at least some whiskering in the wash anyway. With trousers, I think whiskering is more noticeable because there is not detail to the wash. I think these look fine in the front. Gorgeous color, this is going to work really well with your wardrobe! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603668 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:11:12 +0000 Diana 603668@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Angie, you're right, the waist can't really be more nipped in. What I meant was that I prefer a bit more waist definition, which would mean the waist would have to be higher. With the lower waistline, I prefer the pant to be slouchier, like your red ones. (But this is more my own personal preference, Tanya, and I do think the fit is great!) </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603653 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:46:09 +0000 mscooks 603653@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Hi Tanya</p> <p>I know I'm sooo late to this discussion but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents - love the trousers on you, both colour and fit! Tucking in works as well in my opinion, now off to the Express website to see what catches my fancy! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603639 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:20:06 +0000 Tanya 603639@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Hi Zap,</p> <p>Well I jus wanted to tell you that I still very much appreciate your opinion. Angie is indeed the expert here, but I love hearing different opinions and takes on things. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603632 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:14:37 +0000 Anonymous 603632@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Hi Tanya!<br /> Thanks for the correction. You are right, they are slim bootcuts. I call those cigarette, which is incorrect, since they do not have a tapered leg.<br /> I am glad they have worked for you and as I said, Angie had okeyed them. That fact overrides any and all of my opinions, since she is the expert here! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603623 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:03:36 +0000 Tanya 603623@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Zapotee, I really respect your opinion. Hopefully we can agree to disagree :)</p> <p>You are absolutely right that I wanted to choose new pieces very carefully, and for me these are updating. First, they are in the bright color, and bright pants are currently very on trend. Second, about the cut, they are slim bootcuts, not cigarette pants. Slim bootcuts are are also much newer compared to classic trouser cuts, such as Editor ( I have a couple of pairs of Editors and do not really want more). I had no intention for them to be especially slouchy or anything like that. I originally got them in size down, but everyone here agreed that they were too tight in the thigh area and that fit looked like 90s. Angie mentioned that wearing trousers a bit looser is the more updated version. </p> <p>Either way, I am pretty happy with them - I already have classical trouser like Editors and cigarette cuts like BR skinny Martins, so this shape is new for me. It could have to do that I think that because slim bootcuts are quite new in jeans, and jeans shapes I am usually quite aware of when it comes to trendiness. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603617 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:48:44 +0000 Anonymous 603617@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Hi Suz,</p> <p>This is really my layman - or laygirl LOL - take on this. After I wrote my post, I realized Angie had okeyed the pants so I consider my point of very little relevance now.</p> <p>To answer your question, I am not really sure why I think these are not as current. I think is the middle of the road fit - not loose enough to be considered loose (Ex: Slouchy pants, menswear inspired etc) or not tight enough to be considered tight ( Ex: Skinny and cigarette pants), and the fact that all of the remaining pieces of this outfit are so classic by nature. There is nothing wrong with that, actually. As a matter or fact, I am a pretty classic dresser myself.</p> <p>As a side note, I also believe that these pants are cut to fit like cigarette pants, so it is really hard to get it right, if one is to size up, unless you are Angie. That is why I see a bit of a disconnect. I know I'm alone in this, but I actually consider the "fit" intention of the designer, before I buy a piece. For instance, I would never size up on an item to fit loose, if the intention of the piece was to fit snug and viceversa. I think this comes from the fact that I was raised by my grandma, who was a menswear seamstress. She was always very specific about this. For example: A piece cut to fit snug, will follow certain cut parameters to achieve that. Examples of that would be a more pronounced darting, a curvier cut etc. Those parameters will be distorted of one was to size up to achieve a looser fit. Then you will see the item "curving" where is not needed, the crotch will wrinkle a lot more etc.</p> <p>This is a great example. Brooks Brother's illustration of their three shirt cuts:<br /> <a href="http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatSortOrder.process?IWAction=Load&#038;Merchant_Id=1&#038;Section_Id=302" rel="nofollow">http://www.brooksbrothers.com/.....ion_Id=302</a></p> <p>In summary, my comment was primarily based on the fact that I recall Tanya wanting to invest in a few pieces to infuse her wardrobe with some current trends, but I might be wrong. I think for these to be more current, she needs to either go slimmer, which is probably not going to work, or go bigger a la Angie, but that is hard to get right too. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603602 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:25:23 +0000 Suz 603602@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Fascinating discussion. First, thank you Jonesy and Angie and Tanya for entertaining my musings about whiskering (not "whispering," as I said...oops!) and explaining things more clearly for me. I really did have the sense that to some degree it comes down to body type because in this case, age has leant me a certain amount of varying experience in this. As my body type has changed a bit over the years I have found that trousers whisker less on me than they used to (because I now verge more towards a rectangle and my hips are slightly narrower hips than in the past, even though I'm still ab hourglass). Whereas in the past, there was no way, at ANY price point, I could avoid whiskering on trousers unless they were literally falling off me, and even then it would probably happen. </p> <p>But the whole issue of snug vs. loose is also relevant. I am not sure which camp I fall into personally. I think I have always loved the look of slightly looser trousers (as in Angie's pic) but the question sometimes becomes, does that look look like that on YOU? Know what I mean? And sometimes we have to say, well...my body type simply won't look like that in trousers, no matter what, so in what ways does MY body type look good, and what should good fit look like to THIS body? Which might be a bit different. And might even, as per Zapotee's point, take us away from what is strictly "current." Dangerous territory, I know. In no time flat, we'll all be buying Mom jeans or - yikes! - bright fuchsia 90s suits!!! The horrors!! </p> <p>Joking aside, what is "current" fit in trousers is a complete mystery at the moment. I have a very tough time distinguishing the new from the old, the okay from the fab. I mean, I have trouble knowing what is "dated" anyway...partly because I was so "out of it" in a fashion sense for about twenty years. So I recognize I'm super ignorant about cuts and such. But I don't think I am the only one here who is scratching my head trying to figure it all out. </p> <p>So Zap, I'm curious...how are these trousers dated? I wish I understood all of this better! Help! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603599 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:54:07 +0000 Anonymous 603599@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I think I'm going to be the ultimate dissenter here and please take my opinion with a grain of salt. I do like the fit on the pants, however, the silhouette does not look modern to me at all. This is how I used to but my pants early in the 2000's. I know you wanted to buy some updated pieces. If that is still your goal, these are not it, IMO.<br /> I would suggest trying the Editors or a different cut of pant, like the BR sloans. What about a pair of colored bootcut jeans? My daughter just bought a pair from Urban Outfitters. Their site is down, so I cannot link. You have an amazing figure, it is not you:) </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603552 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:54:16 +0000 Jenava 603552@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I also have very curvy thighs and am slightly long waisted...I still wear and enjoy trousers even though the pull here and there. I think these fit you beautifully and I adore the blouse tucked. FWIW, I do prefer a pointed toe with trousers. (-: </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603518 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 04:15:05 +0000 Tanya 603518@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Thank you for your input Jonesy &amp; Scarlet!</p> <p>Jonesy, I totally get where you are coming. I guess I was always in the opposite, tighter fitting camp. That is probably because for the longest time, I have needed the smallest sizes in everything, sometimes even the smallest one would be too big. So I would always be excited to find something fitting tighter, and that might have stuck somewhere in my brain.</p> <p>Scarlet, you are absolutely right on both counts: my Max C pants are also the best in terms of whiskering and about the belt. he ting is that I do not own the right thickness one. Also, this one matches the pants perfectly, and that way I avoid contrast which would rob me of more leg length, if that makes sense. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603511 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 04:00:00 +0000 Scarlet 603511@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Huh, well before reading anything I just thought these pants look awesome on you. I think you can tuck, but I feel like a thicker belt would work with the proportions better. I also have the whiskering issue and it is only the stretch wool Theory Max pant that relatively avoids this issue for me. I also have a pair of thick wool trousers from Trina Turk that are pretty good (or were, back when they fit). I didn't even notice the whiskering on you because I have just had to come to accept a little bit. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603493 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:13:08 +0000 Jonesy 603493@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Tanya, your thoughts about fit and body type make perfect sense! Angie, I appreciate hearing your insights on this too. I know that I am on Team Loose and always have been, so my perceptions are idiosyncratically shaped by that a lot of the time. I remember in the '90s my MIL saying "Why don't you wear clothes that fit you?" She found my baggy clothes perplexing and unflattering :). LOL. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/columnist-pant---attempt-2-kr#post-603450 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:08:46 +0000 Tanya 603450@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Thank you for chiming in on the whiskering discussion Angie! I really appreciate your input.</p> <p>As I mentioned, I did try these pants in one more size up. To Angie's point, I did like the fit around the thigh area better, but the waist was huge and it would have required an alteration, belt or no belt. At this point when I am on a very tight budget, that is something I would rather avoid if possible. Plus, the whiskering lines were still there, so that issue would have not changed. When I compare the fit on Angie and myself, I think the difference is that I have significantly curvier thighs/hips, and longer waist. I am not particularly happy with any of these, but it is what it is. </p> <p>Angie, that is very interesting about your Theory pants, as mine also fit similarly to the way Columnist fits me. I guess it is all about body type at the end. And Angie, again you are right, I do prefer a closer fit to the body. There is something about the change in fashion perspective as well. You are a very wise lady :)</p> <p>I really like the muted light grey color these pants come in, and the matching blazer. I intend to stalk them, and if they ever go on a really big sale, I might get that whole suit. In that case I would get the pants in the extra size up, as I prefer looser fits in lighter colors. </p>