https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping Style Advice for Fashion Lovers en-US Sat, 11 Apr 2026 12:52:25 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/search.php https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping/page/2#post-2205175 Sat, 26 Jun 2021 08:19:00 +0000 Stagiaire Fash 2205175@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Zaoebi, I get it—so many decisions and challenges! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping/page/2#post-2205167 Sat, 26 Jun 2021 07:02:45 +0000 Zaeobi 2205167@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>@Lisa No worries - glad you took it in stride. </p> <p>@FashIntern - I completely get what you're saying, &amp; admire it. If you're able to do so, then I say go for it. For me personally, I'd like to be able to as well but I also need to be realistic about my situation/ lifestyle etc: </p> <p>Before moving here, I was admittedly much better about shopping locally sourced clothing since I could easily find my size in-person, even in charity shops. Just before the pandemic, I had also begun to be able to find my size in secondhand clothing here (rather than just on clearance racks or at western fast fashion stores), since most shops max out at XL (I'm a 2XL in Chinese sizes). But then of course we were 'forced' online lol - ASOS used to be a go-to for me, &amp; I've noticed that they've also added a 'sustainability' search option like you saw on Zalando, but my switch to natural fibres meant that much of the fast fashion scene wasn't working for me anymore either. And whilst secondhand clothing is great, I'm often at the mercy of a much smaller collection than at mainstream retail. There's also the environmental cost benefit analysis of having just one unique/ vintage thing shipped to me from around the world. </p> <p>So at first I felt bad about ordering things online, but @rachylou's observation of ordering coffee beans twice a year echoes my own online purchasing habits now (or at least what I try to follow). I did a big haul in January &amp; then another now. It's not perfect but I'm trying to mitigate my carbon footprint this way (I've also paid a little extra for carbon offsetting before, but stopped because it's more like putting a plaster over the underlying issue...) </p> <p>I've tried buying secondhand online but ran into the issues above - so I'm trying to limit my searches to local companies, but part of the issue is (as others have mentioned above) that many local sellers &amp; makers still use Chinese dominant fabrics &amp; supplies. Sometimes I get promising info about these fabric etc suppliers, but other times it's a bit of a dead end.</p> <p>All this to say, I unfortunately don't have a solution either lol - I'm already paying the 'fat tax' for clothes to be made in my size on this side of the world lol, so I do need to be realistic about balancing the environment &amp; my bank balance (especially after going part-time). I've also started looking into Aussie &amp; New Zealand brands to help reduce the number of miles my parcels need to travel, but of course they're in opposite seasons to us right now. I'm trying to get better about purchasing off-season &amp; planning ahead, but it's still difficult to do without making (environmentally &amp; financially) costly mistakes </p> <p>PS - The free trade thing you mentioned is interesting. Sadly there's all sorts of loopholes being exploited - one thing I've noticed is actually how much *cheaper* it is to buy/ ship things from here to the UK than the other way around. Even for things made in China! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping/page/2#post-2204936 Fri, 25 Jun 2021 13:06:09 +0000 Stagiaire Fash 2204936@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Thanks Kkards! I know you know the industry well, so appreciate your insight. I’ve avoided things from China for quite a while, and my son, who was addicted to Hollister a few years ago, is beginning to do so as well, hooray.</p> <p>Sleeping on this discussion, I’ve decided that I’m going to continue checking out policies and styles of companies in the EU, which has much better labor and environmental laws than the US or other regions, and will support sustainability moves by major companies. As I learn about small companies operating responsibly in underdeveloped countries, I will support them too.</p> <p>The site I buy from most frequently here, Zalando, has had a “sustainability” option in site searches for a few years (at least). I’ve been skeptical, but looking again, I see that it is now divided into different types of sustainability. Searching for sustainable jeans brought up legacy companies, the kind I think many of us roll our eyes at including in this. But when I searched for Lee, Levi’s, and others, only some models came up, and they had specific types of sustainability listed. That makes me think it’s not just greenwash.</p> <p>As much as I love the ideal of 1000 flowers blooming, with small companies operating equitably around the world getting fair shares of shrinking consumption, I think that if we want to change the production and trade methods that affect so many more people besides factory workers, we have to push for change from major players. They have influence in creating the system we have now and their changes can have lots of resonance. Refusing to buy “dirty” products is one kind of pressure, but rewarding the efforts towards sound environmental and labor policies by buying the products is also a way we can push for change. </p> <p><u>Thanks to everyone in this discussion</u>; I appreciate the ongoing conversation about these topics. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping/page/2#post-2204908 Fri, 25 Jun 2021 11:20:43 +0000 kkards 2204908@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>FashIntern…i totally appreciated and admire what you are aiming to do. And I don’t want to rain on your parade, but i want to mention that over 50% of the worlds textiles are produced in China<br /><a rel="nofollow" href="https://blog.bizvibe.com/blog/top-10-largest-textile-producing-countries">https://blog.bizvibe.com/blog/.....-countries</a><br />Which means tracking and truly understand the where and how of what you buy is going to be very tricking and your going to have to make many leaps….large companies employ whole departments to visit factories and trace and track supply chains.<br />IMO your best bet is small local companies who call out on there labels and websites the origin, by item, of the fabric and sewing factories.(assuming the EU companies act similar to US ones, most small made in the US brand that I’m aware of will list if the fabric is imported or also make in the US) It’s not going to be perfect, and its going to be the definition of slow shopping, as their offering will be limited and may not match your needs at any particular time. In addition the costs are likely to be higher.&nbsp;<br />Good luck </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204881 Fri, 25 Jun 2021 04:44:43 +0000 Stagiaire Fash 2204881@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Lynn67, SunTiger, and Cat2, thanks. I didn’t buy anything—main point of the outing was starting to get to know local brands, so I can look into their production methods. Just looking at web sites alone doesn’t give me a feel for them, which ones I like and how they fit my body. Connecting up brands I like and brands with sustainable practices is tricky.</p> <p>LaPed, all this stuff requires such critical reading! I think the Cotton Initiative is likely to have some good info, but note that it’s backed by USAID and includes Israel as one of its partners, sigh. I can triangulate its info with Cotton made in Africa (which has German roots) and FairTrade (&amp; others I learn about along the way). </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204792 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 20:04:49 +0000 rachylou 2204792@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>That’s a really interesting link, FI. I knew about the banana problem, I didn’t know about the sewing factories. It’s a good question as to how much has changed at its core. I wouldn’t be surprised if banana farming has been wiped out… </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204781 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:05:03 +0000 cat2 2204781@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I would pass on the Seasalt, it swallowed you up. I would wait for a different print in the first style, as that print seems a bit unsophisticated. I would skip the second style because the top seemed a bit big. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204759 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 17:10:51 +0000 Stagiaire Fash 2204759@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>LaPed, I’ve gotten away from Patagonia—used to have some dresses &amp; tops. Probably should get back to them! Thanks for the other links too. </p> <p>This movie on Jamaica is one I used in class. The 5th paragraph here talks about the FTZs/maquiladoras. <a href="http://www.lifeanddebt.org/about.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifeanddebt.org/about.html</a><br /> I don’t know how much the policies have changed since this movie was made, but I do think the overall picture the video paints (can a video paint? How?) has changed little. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204756 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 16:56:44 +0000 LaPed 2204756@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I'm on the go right now or I'd write a longer post, but check out <a rel="nofollow" href="https://bettercotton.org/">Better Cotton Initiative</a>&nbsp;for sourcing more sustainably produced cotton. For wool there's the <a rel="nofollow" href="https://textileexchange.org/standards/responsible-wool/">Responsible Wool Standard</a>.</p> <p>One reason I keep coming back to Patagonia over and over again is that they disclose their supply chain and take responsibility for the full lifecycle of the garment. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204738 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 16:18:45 +0000 rachylou 2204738@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Ps: I asked how often the chocolate people took in shipments of beans - two a year at most. Right, because transporting stuff around the world is NOT a positive. And… yes, this from the woman, myself, who just bought a dress from Austria. Totally guilty. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204737 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 16:14:14 +0000 rachylou 2204737@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Oh gosh, I don’t know anything about TH or Hanes in Jamaica. That’s news to me! I’ve seen shows on PBS about Blue Mountain coffee. And locally there is - or was, I haven’t heard anything in a long time - a little company that made chocolates from Jamaican beans. You meet the owners when you walk into the shop and the owners will tell you the last time they talked to the limited number of small farmers they work exclusively with and show you pictures from their latest trip of the farms. They’ll show you the beans in their storage space.</p> <p>For clothing… I’m reminded that the neighbour’s daughter had a friend - who I met accidentally by walking into her store - who makes and sells clothes in SF. I have no idea where she gets her cloth, but I know she’s back there sewing herself. And she’s not making a lot, isn’t trying to sell to other stores.</p> <p>Frankly, I think it’s pretty darn hard to suss out your own freeking suppliers. I only feel *generally* better about people who stay small through the entirety of their operation. And by that I mean something like the operations I mention above - artisan shops working with other artisan suppliers using small machines. </p> <p>And I have to tell you, I’ve been in the chocolate shop and have overheard the owners talking to other customers… customers who clearly don’t have any idea about factories and farms. And it absolutely occurred to me then that they’re acting all grateful for the ‘great’ sustainable effort on faith alone. They looked at the pictures and didn’t *see* anything. I’ve dated some farmers and that’s the only way I know anything about farming. And haha… the boyfriends were one Canadian, one Jamaican, and two Englishmen. If I didn’t have this little survey spread across nations and operational scales and then 25 years in hard manufacturing and energy…</p> <p>Haha. Ok. On a soapbox roll now … people, I have to tell you massive and immediate degrowth is the only way to avoid a population reduction event like the Black Plague. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204723 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 15:18:02 +0000 Anonymous 2204723@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Zaeobi - thank you for updating and correcting me. That was a thoughtless and outdated descriptor for me to use. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204686 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 12:49:55 +0000 lyn67 2204686@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Love the dress in 11-14! Other 2 dresses are lovely, too. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204672 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 11:46:48 +0000 Anonymous 2204672@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Love the shirtdress and the dark pants! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204661 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 08:51:54 +0000 Stagiaire Fash 2204661@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Zaoebi, my preference for clothes made close to where I live is about the pollution and waste of global production. You probably know that fabric is often sourced in one country, cut in another, might be sewn in a third, and possibly have finishing done yet somewhere else. Even if labor practices at each site were ideal and methods used in each place were environmentally friendly (not realistic, but even if they were), that sort of global criss-cross is problematic in itself. </p> <p>But everybody has to eat, everywhere—people need work. Instead of avoiding production in non-Western countries, as I do now as a shortcut to avoiding environmental problems (which are harmful for people who live near them). I’d like to avoid supporting production in maquiladoras/export processing zones which legally are separate from the country they’re in anyway. I would like to support ethical production in underdeveloped countries and will be looking up Daughters of Ganges, thanks. </p> <p>LisaP, it sounds like you’ve opened up a new world for a bunch of us with the RN/CA numbers. Thanks again. I agree with you about the “fake” labels. It’s a problem in food and entertainment too, as anyone who has ever tried to avoid Nestle knows. </p> <p>Wearing fabric that’s produced in environmentally friendly ways is important to me—probably one of the biggest things I look for in sustainability. You are probably right that I should give up on trying to figure that out myself. I guess that’s what Oekotek (which I learned of through Hanna Andersson when I had a toddler) and similar certifications are for. I only recently learned that Oeko-Tex isn’t only for cotton. They have standards for silk and other fabrics too. But their focus is on the consumer, not the area of production. Are there good certification programs that look at production methods? I think Fair Trade comes close, but isn’t quite it. Whatever standard I choose, I’ll have to keep in mind Jenn’s point about big companies gaming the system. </p> <p>I think I’ve told the story on here before about visiting my ex’s relatives in Ogaden with him. They took me around their farm, which had been in the family for generations—very intensive agriculture, small earthen irrigation systems, lots of inter-cropping, just amazing. But they didn’t have as many vegetables as they used to and the fruit trees were under stress because of a new cotton processing plant that we could see from the farm. It used so much water that it was lowering the water table. I’ll never have the time to sort out whether a new item I want is made from cotton that did that to an area, but I do hope that the certifications are worth something and can help reduce those kind of situations. </p> <p>Rachylou, cool to hear the prospective of a small-scale company trying to compete! What advice do you have on sussing ethical practices by clothing producers that buy the “bag of flour” way? Small doesn’t always equal ethical, and many little batches of acid dumped into a watershed (or other problems that seem little by themselves) do add up. Small companies might not be able to do all the steps required for certification, but if they use sustainably-produced materials, that’s who I want to support. “Overseas” isn’t always “overseas”. I’m thinking about the maquiladoras/Free Trade Zones like the ones that were finishing things for Tommy Hillfiger and Hanes in Jamaica. </p> <p>Bijou, the little bit I know about global production (learned while teaching Uni geography courses in the early 2000s, so somewhat dated) makes me doubt that Australia could have a separate system, even though I’ve learned on YLF that the designers and labels can be local. If you look at some RN/CA labels in your clothes, I’d love to hear what you find. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204649 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 06:48:27 +0000 Zaeobi 2204649@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I like the first dress! Agree with@rachylou about the second one being 'ok' &amp; the white pants though lol. Ironically I'm not actually the biggest fan of the SeaSalt dress for summer because the length &amp; colour makes it feel a bit too 'heavy' on you (like the dress is wearing you instead of the other way around). I really like the other winter trousers though - I personally have to sit on my hands when it comes to statement pants lol! </p> <p>The info on manufacturing &amp; supplying processes is interesting, thanks for the discussion. For me personally, having seen clothing actually being made &amp; manufactured in developing countries (not to nitpick but just a friendly FYI @lisa that the term 'third world' is becoming outdated now - I also find it weird to refer to those living on the same planet as us as being a different 'world' entirely, but that's just me lol: <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World" rel="nofollow">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World</a>) , a big part of it also has to do with the greed of the companies that are outsourcing this work instead of ruling out all clothing made in certain countries as being 'bad' or off-limits. I have items from China for example, but I suppose I'm lucky because I actually live on this side of the world (plus, as @Hadilly said, I will buy things secondhand which I wouldn't otherwise). </p> <p>But I do get what you're saying @FI &amp; what you're trying to do - not to knock that, but I agree with @Lisa that unfortunately it's very difficult to guarantee the entire chain of practice in reality though (plus @Jenn's point about many companies flying under the radar). One example of this is a UK company I like that seems to have a personal connection with India &amp; their clothing from there - Nomads (UK): <a href="https://www.nomadsclothing.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.nomadsclothing.com/</a> </p> <p>I like to 'snowball' with such companies (to borrow an academic search term) - I'll check the brands they stock (like Daughters of the Ganges, in this case) &amp; then search to see if that brand has their own website/ social media channel from which I can order directly. A little more effort for sure, but (luckily?) my job makes it so that I'm quite used to research rabbitholes like that one, lol </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204595 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 02:15:41 +0000 rachylou 2204595@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I did not know about RN/CA numbers, lisap. I’m making note of that. I’m working on supplier verification right now. It’s kinda crazy. We’re a tiny tiny company. We’re like a dollar over the gross sales threshold and have to do supplier verification now. These regulations are really designed with folks who get flour in by the train car in mind. We get bags of flour. But the flour isn’t the hard part. The hard part is trying to get the manufacturers of food containers to send us - a teensy weensy operation who buys their product from distributors or the grocery! - proof of liability insurance, their latest safety inspection, a heavy metals guarantee and their slave labor audit records. And we certainly can’t pay them a visit and get into their factories. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204594 Thu, 24 Jun 2021 02:10:42 +0000 Bijou 2204594@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Dress #1 is fabulous! Good on you for being sustainable and fussy about the ethics of who and where they make the garments.&nbsp;</p> <p><b>LisaP</b> - thanks for the info about the manufacturing, I wonder if Australia has a similar system. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204574 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 23:26:53 +0000 Anonymous 2204574@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Also , this is where , as the expression goes , google is your friend if you want to research cotton , flax and viscose growing regions , sheep farms used for wool production , and production facilities in South Asia that create synthetic fibres . </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204573 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 23:19:28 +0000 Anonymous 2204573@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>No. Not really . You’re really digging deep and that information would only come from the factory or the manufacturer on record who ordered the fabric and then had it delivered to the factory . Unless the clothing is locally or regionally made you won’t get the information you’re hoping for . And as to where fibre is grown or manufactured - that’s getting very specific and is that necessary ? You won’t get the positive information you’re looking for , I can almost guarantee that . Cotton is grown in certain regions in the world , and synthetics are formulated in others . This micro level of detail is probably beyond the scope of most mass market manufacturers . There are some spinners and weavers in third world countries who do grow and make their own materials - amd they are usually used by companies like Canada’s Pokoloko , for example. This is truly a complicated issue and not one that can be answered quickly . </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204572 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 22:56:19 +0000 Stagiaire Fash 2204572@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Lisa, I don’t know anything about those numbers at all. Thank you for your comment! And no, I really don’t care how the owner likes to spend her time—think I snort-laughed at the website describing the owner’s volunteer work. Is there a way to find out where companies get their materials? Many of the ones I’m looking at have production in Europe, which guarantees some standards, but where fibers are grown and woven is another piece of the puzzle. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204563 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 22:15:38 +0000 Anonymous 2204563@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>If you already know about RN / CA numbers on labels , please just disregard this . I don’t know off-hand what the European equivalent is but it shouldn’t be difficult to find . These numbers , as you may know , identify the actual manufacturer of a garment . In many garments - in fact a huge majority of them - the label is a just a “ fake” name concocted by the manufacturer and has no real identity in itself . The numbers will help you dig deeper into the manufacturing practices of the factories , which is more important and more relevant than the philanthropic practices of the owner of the company who is sitting in his office in Montreal contracting work out to factories across the world . </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204554 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 21:36:26 +0000 Hadilly 2204554@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Does where it is manufactured matter if you are buying consignment? </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204550 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 21:20:41 +0000 Stagiaire Fash 2204550@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Jenn, thanks from explaining that process. A worry I have about picking up info from companies’ own websites is that sustainability is trendy; I can’t always tell who’s making a real difference &amp; who isn’t (then again, the other day I lol’ed at the company that only included a “philanthropy@ section, and that wasn’t even about the company—it was about the owners personal volunteering! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204549 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 21:14:48 +0000 Jenn 2204549@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Yeah, you nailed the issue with a lot of those lists. So many truly small and sustainable manufacturers fall through the cracks. You pretty much have to do your own research--a lot can be gleaned from "about" pages or simply emailing a company, It can also help to find influencers and educators who are doing the work. I found a lot of the brands I shop through reading books and articles about sustainable fashion (which often profile great manufacturers), seeking out those authors on social media, along with the experts interviewed, and then following the people they mention and collaborate with. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204545 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:48:56 +0000 Stagiaire Fash 2204545@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Jenn, thanks for that input: Are there other sources you would recommend using? I don’t even see the Berlin labels I know about listed in the online ethical shopping guides. I don’t mean they aren’t listed as good options; even on sites that rank companies from “great” to “we avoid it”, I don’t see the brands I’ve found here. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204544 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:43:39 +0000 Jenn 2204544@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Just FYI, I wouldn't use Good On You as an authority, anyway. It's a very surface-level rating system that's better than nothing, but it ranks on some very specific things that make some large companies come out looking way better than they deserve. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204537 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:02:24 +0000 Cardiff girl 2204537@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>What fun to going shopping at last.All those dresses look great on you,the first two are lovely colours but l also like the length of the seasalt one on you.<br />l agree that the white trousers are too see through but never mind ,there will be others.</p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204524 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 19:10:20 +0000 Stagiaire Fash 2204524@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>ChristieIJ, That first dress is my favorite too. I looked up the company &amp; what do you know? They’re based in Canada! But their production is in Europe! <a href="https://dolcezza.ca/" rel="nofollow">https://dolcezza.ca/</a> Now I “just” need a need for it! </p> <p>Linda, trawling through Yoox recently, I found half a dozen pairs of white pants that might work, but I think it’s time to put my money where my mouth is, in terms of purchasing clothing. It’s frustrating to know what I want and how I could get it elsewhere, but once I get to know labels (see Jenn’s recent beach sweater order from mostly S Ca companies), I think it could be rewarding. </p> <p>RL, you are so discrete &amp; tasteful, naming the pockets as the things that can be seen, lol. The red dress doesn’t photograph well, and when I saw it in the mirror, my first thought was that it was way too big around. But the extra fabric didn’t get in the way, iykwim. It was so soft too! In the end, i don’t have any more need for it than for the turquoise one, but I am going to keep my eyes open for that label. It is <a href="https://www.foxs-mode.de/de/unternehmen/profil" rel="nofollow">https://www.foxs-mode.de/de/unternehmen/profil</a> The pants’ label too—I’m not thrilled with the style, think it’s a silhouette that was trendy and now has gotten boring (good reason to mostly keep to classic cuts), but they fit well, were well made, and the company seems like a good one (though that’s based on their own ads).</p> <p>Sloper, it’s funny that minis are my rep here, because most of my life, midis have been my thing. But yeah, I’m going to be careful about Seasalt.</p> <p>Now to figure out how to research these companies’ practices. 24Colours too—they made my dark ditzy skirt, but idk much about them besides that they produce their stuff in Europe. But it was good to get into a shop and actually see what I like. The most ethical company in the world wouldn’t help they make stuff that doesn’t work for me.</p> <p>ETA a little reading for me </p> <p><a href="https://media.business-humanrights.org/media/documents/files/documents/FashionReport_2019_9-April-19-FINAL.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://media.business-humanri.....-FINAL.pdf</a></p> <p><a href="https://goodonyou.eco/most-ethical-and-sustainable-clothing-brands-from-germany/" rel="nofollow">https://goodonyou.eco/most-eth.....m-germany/</a>. Not so helpful to me, because none of these brands are included in its directory for e Weinens pants <a href="https://directory.goodonyou.eco/categories/bottoms" rel="nofollow">https://directory.goodonyou.eco/categories/bottoms</a> </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/and-then-i-went-shopping#post-2204523 Wed, 23 Jun 2021 19:00:01 +0000 Sloper 2204523@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I like the Seasalt dress - sorry about the Chinese manufacture.</p> <p>Keep that length/silhouette in mind as you shop - it looks good on you (and I'm partial to midis myself). </p>