https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book Style Advice for Fashion Lovers en-US Wed, 29 Apr 2026 03:47:56 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/search.php https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-982101 Tue, 16 Jul 2013 22:18:02 +0000 ironkurtin 982101@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Rachy - Got it!&nbsp; I agree. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-981842 Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:27:58 +0000 rachylou 981842@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>IK - yes, after I posted, I said to myself, "Well, that was a Chrissy Snow post" (a la that '70s tv show <i>Three's Company</i>). I.e., incomprehensible. </p> <p>I was trying to say (and may not do better) that in <i>Twilight,</i> Edward promotes the good old fashion value of waiting until marriage, but it's more of a plot point than a thematic one. Thematically, the book is wholly concerned with emotional excess and bondage to emotion. For example, Bella is in all ways too young to marry Edward and they split up for a bit, and Bella becomes essentially catatonic and then reckless. Edward has to come back or she's gonna end up killing herself; so we have a nice sprinkling of emotional blackmail and co-dependency there. And of course, we call that Love in the <i>Twilight </i>series. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-981648 Tue, 16 Jul 2013 14:06:24 +0000 citygirldc 981648@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>II was so bored with 50 Shades of Grey due to bad writing, silly characters, and the sex scenes were something a man would think of. I'm all for a little fluff, but this was just ridiculous. &nbsp;I couldn't stomach reading book 2 or 3 not because of the S&amp;M nature, just stupid characters. &nbsp;That's what annoyed the heck out of me.</p> <p>As for Twilight, I guess I'm into the YA fantasy&nbsp;genre (and to each his own) and it was a time in my life where I wanted to forget my present for the time being. I thought the writing was beautifully done (just disregard the vampire aspect of it), especially remembering your first love. Yes, the characters could be annoying at times&nbsp;but I still read all 3 books. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-981256 Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:31:17 +0000 ironkurtin 981256@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Rachylou - What? I don't understand. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-981208 Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:42:49 +0000 Sona 981208@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>crap. I had written the longest reply that disappeared into cyberspace. But the gist was: its fiction: good or bad, that' s all it is.</p> <p>There are many more real women out there in submissive relationships-sexual or nonsexual who are in real danger. That makes me want to take to the streets, have the men castrated and what not. That is what my brings my feminist views to the forefront.</p> <p>A book is&nbsp; a book is&nbsp; a book: it can affect you profoundly in good ways or bad ways or in an indifferent manner. or in an " ok not really my genre but it has some interesting parts to it". the latter was my take on it. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-981163 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:32:08 +0000 Echo 981163@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I read the first Twilight book and couldn't stomach it anymore because it was so juvenile (yes, I realize it is "young adult", but thought that with so many adults reading it it might be better) and poorly written. I couldn't even try with the 50 Shades of Grey.&nbsp;</p> <p>Ultimately, though, the author didn't HAVE to be a good writer. She was writing cheap knock-off fan-fic and it happened to take off. Had I been in her position, I would have taken advantage, too. The characters were never intended to be stand-alones (they were based off of already existing characters and only existed for the purpose of the sexual fantasy fan-fic), so they filled the roles for which they were intended. I don't know if anyone has read other fan fiction, but most of it is comparable to 50 shades of Grey in terms of style, character development (none) and storytelling. In other words, while there is some worthwhile writing, as a genre fan fiction mostly stinks and 50 Shades of Grey is no exception.</p> <p>I would hope that no one would take ANY romance/erotica/sex novel seriously enough to base one's life off of. To be honest, MOST "romance" novels in book stores have overpowering "alpha males" and women who ultimately are submissive in the end. Few of them provide healthy templates for any kind of relationship.</p> <p>I guess I am more disappointed that such poor, poor writing became so popular. It is mind-boggling, and makes me believe that any giddy, over-sexed teenaged girl (which is how the writing comes across, despite the author not fitting the criteria) could become a publishing sensation. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-981159 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:23:11 +0000 rachylou 981159@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>IK, that's true. But the obvious message doesn't create the overall narrative. Bella's EMO to the point of extremism. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-981139 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:52:58 +0000 Raisin 981139@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Funny enough I made it through all 3 50 Shades books, but I <b>could not</b> get through the Twilight series. &nbsp;I stopped half way through book one! &nbsp;Lol, and it's not very often I do not finish a novel. &nbsp;Also, pretty funny, I didn't realize the 50 shades books were a trilogy. &nbsp;When I started reading #1 I thought it was just one book. &nbsp;When I got to the end and realized there were 2 more, I was like "Oh man, I have to read 2 more of these!" &nbsp;Lol, the writing really was terrible, and I'm by no means a writing expert. &nbsp;I had already read the first though, so no stopping when it's a "trilogy", lol...unless it's Twilight, haha. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-981114 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:20:53 +0000 ironkurtin 981114@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I think if the craft of the book were better, we wouldn't be arguing about it, TBH.</p> <p>Also, I hate Twilight, but isn't the point of it that Bella and Edward DON'T have sex until they get married?&nbsp; I seem to remember her wanting to kiss him and him recoiling.&nbsp; </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-981089 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:50:01 +0000 rachylou 981089@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Lol. I don't know. You would think. Maybe collect some stamps or something. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-980985 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:47:48 +0000 Irene 980985@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I'll just say that role-playing is one thing, and transforming yourself into a different individual is another thing. Taking a submissive role in bed doesn't need to equal taking a submissive role in your whole life!!!</p> <p>But you ARE right: they do get turned on by each other all the time, which I guess is what makes them take the role-playing full time. As great as sex is, I don't think it's that fantastic that your entire life revolves around sex. Don't these people have anything else to do or worry about? lol (silly question given the fact that it is erotica, I know) </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-980881 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:04:27 +0000 rachylou 980881@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>p.s. No issues, personally, with <i>Twilight </i>- except that it's something that pre-teens read. I recoil at the idea of normalising, even expecting, being sexually active at that age - which I think having these books out there and lauded does.</p> <p>Sure teens and tweenies are becoming sexually aware, but they should know what side of the line they're on firmly. They should have to face down all the adults in the Adult book section of the stores to get it. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-980876 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:58:01 +0000 rachylou 980876@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>So I will step right in it, since I'm from wild and wooly town and you see people walking their girlfriends' on leashes around here often enough. Everything objectionable you mention, Irene (and I don't disagree necessarily), is frankly part of the sex. It's all geared towards the sex, getting someone turned on enough to enjoy it, and perhaps one should consider it from that point of view also.</p> <p>However, I will say that after 44 years of keeping an open mind and so forth, I have come to a conclusion. It's a big whatever to me... But I do have to ask - if you need that much gear to have sex, if you have to work that hard, maybe you weren't meant to have it. It's something to think about. Not having sex is really not a very big deal. No body parts will fall off, and you will spend the vast majority of your day not having sex anyways.</p> <p>And my final final word: *Sex and violence are purely separate pleasures for me.*</p> <p>Ha!</p> <p> </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-980549 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 06:36:12 +0000 Anonymous 980549@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>50 Shades of Grey and Twilight are huge among my age group, high school/college students.The Twilight series is a series I would describe as light reading on a rainy day. Twilight is marginally&nbsp;better than 50 Shades of Grey.&nbsp;Frankly, James gives fanfiction writers a bad name.&nbsp;</p> <p>Meyer is a much better storyteller than James. Edward is controlling. Yes, but all the characters in Twilight showcased both irritating and good traits to an extreme. James' characters are caricatures of caricatures. Meyers' books had fantasy in them and didn't try to go for a complex plot, so it's easier to look back at the Twilight series as maybe a fond memory in joining in on a pop culture movement. Perhaps this is because Edward is supernatural and his more controlling behaviors came because he is supernatural. That, and his mind is frozen due to vampirism so he at least has an excuse for his perpetual teenager gimmie-I-wantisms.&nbsp;</p> <p>50 Shades of Grey is popular, but I still consider it fringe. People at my college will admit to reading it but they don't really say it outright. James painted both her characters into a corner. Bella at least had opinions (not wanting to get married, wanting to have sex on her honeymoon, etc) but Anastasia is basically static is hell. Christian doesn't fully confront his demons and magically changes. Anastasia sure didn't seem to do much.&nbsp;As a psychology student, that pisses me off. If James is going to write about how Christian's issues FORCES him to want to do BDSM and control Anastasia, she should also fully explore his issues. This is an adult book marketed towards adults. What's up with all the vague character development and poor writing?&nbsp;</p> <p>I would describe 50 Shades of Grey as a childish pseudo book that can't fully commit to anything but wants everything. Huh. Sounds like a certain character. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-980348 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 23:48:10 +0000 Ana 980348@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I'm about to start "Bared to You" by Sylvia Day for my book club. Apparently, it is extremely similar to 50 Shades of Gray, only well-written, lol. You all might want to take a look at that one if the poor writing in 50 Shades proves too much (I know it's a sticking point for me). </p> </p> <p>IK, I forgot about the male/male scenes in the Sleeping Beauty series! I do remember them in Tale of the Body Thief though. Whew!</p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-980343 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 23:37:19 +0000 FlorenceFearne 980343@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>One of my coworkers is a huge Twilight fan, and then also became a 50 Shades fan. I just don't get the allure. At all. If I want to read something kinky, I'll go find it, better written. And if I want to explore BDSM, I want to do it with someone who respects me, not someone who mentally abuses me because it makes them feel better about their own psychological issues.&nbsp;I agree that it's great that this book has inspired women to be more sexually adventurous, but that's the only good thing I can say about it. </p> <p>What I will add is that if you have not taken&nbsp;the opportunity to hear Gilbert Gottfried read this book aloud, you are missing out on one of the funniest things I've ever heard.&nbsp;</p> <p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1RcKJVbHA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1RcKJVbHA</a>&nbsp; </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-980239 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 20:56:32 +0000 catgirl 980239@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>OK, I'll read it.&nbsp; I'm always up for a challenge!&nbsp;&nbsp; I can keep an open mind. But I don't think I can set aside my feminist views, any more than I can put aside being Indian, KWIM?&nbsp; I will get back to you! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book/page/2#post-980184 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:51:21 +0000 ironkurtin 980184@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I personally liked Anne Rice's Sleeping Beuaty take-off.&nbsp; Although it may contain too much male-on-male for some; and does anyone remember any female-on-female?&nbsp; It's not like I memorized them, but I don't recall much offhand. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-980178 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:47:15 +0000 Irene 980178@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Sona,</p> <p>I am trying to enter the Publishing business and I took a Master on that last year, which was the year of 50 shades of Grey in Spain. That means we covered that topic, as well as the topic of the Romance genre. </p> <p>The truth is, Romance novels have existed for a long, long time. And there was a crowd who read them: studies point at middle-aged women in their 50s, middle class. These women used to be a bit ashamed of their reading inclinations so they would cover the covers of their paperback novels with newspaper paper or other kinds of printed paper so that no one could see the semi-naked man on the cover. However, this ashamed crowd are also really demanding readers that won't read just anything. They read a lot and they are quite critical with what they read (just as any other genre reader, be it Crime Fiction, Fantasy, Science-Fiction, Historical or any other genre you might come up with). </p> <p>What I want to say is: 50 shades of Grey is no novelty. It just exploded, like many other best sellers explode, for no apparent reason (and not all best sellers are good books). Just like Twilight exploded some years ago. Before Twilight there was Stoker, of course, and then there was Anne Rice, who has been doing this forever. But there was also Sookie (from True Blood), and the Vampire Chronicles, which started before Twilight as well (and Vampire Chronicles is about love between a vampire boy and a human girl). And I'm no expert in the genre, but I'm sure there are more.</p> <p>I know 50 shades of Grey has been said to change many women's lives. I also know it's been called porn for moms which, if you ask me (and I'm no mom myself) I find quite insulting. There is nothing in 50 shades of Grey #1 that I haven't read about on Cosmopolitan, and I don't read Cosmo that often. I will repeat myself: it is FANTASTIC that so many women have been inspired to be&nbsp; more adventurous in bed. But this is what the sex scenes do (not the dysfunctional relationship that many women worship). It would have happened with any other sexy best-seller, it's just that no Romance book had exploded like this before. What I mean is: it hasn't changed so many women's perspectives on sex because it's a great book and no other book would have done this. Lady Chatterley's was revolutionary because, as far as I know, there had been little like that before, if any. That's not the case with 50 shades, in any way. And they could have had kinky sex in the room while respecting each other out of the room. From what I've read, sexual Subs are submissive before, while and after sex, but other than that <b>they lea</b><b>d</b> their own normal lives. They work, they are independent, they see whomever they want, etc. That's not the case for Anastasia, not at least in the first book (and I don't think she is ever independent, even if her situation improves. Does he stop being jealous every time a guys says 'hello' to her or is it just that it doesn't happen anymore?). Anastasia is submissive all the time (or, well, he wants her to be submissive all the time, which is even worse).</p> <p>The real problem with abuse relationships (and I know someone who has been in one, and she was no battered woman before that, nor had she ever had troubled relationships before that) is that they become addictive because the same person that makes you suffer is the person that makes you happy. The person that punishes you is the one that has the power to forgive you, too. That is why they are dangerous. 'Oh, but he can be so sweet when he wants to!'. 'You should see him when he is in a good mood'. This I have seen in 50 shades, and have heard from that someone in an abuse relationship. They don't understand why the person that loves them so much can sometimes hurt them so much too, but they stick to them for the good moments that they think are to come.</p> </p> <p>Again, I apologize for offending you. I am known for being very passionate about discussions (ANY KIND, really), and people that don't know me too well actually think I am mad at them, but I am just really enjoying the discussion. Just so that you get the idea, while practicing for my oral English exams, there was this activity where I had to discuss some stupid little thing with my partner: both her and my teacher would ask me to calm down lol</p> </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-980172 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:34:25 +0000 ironkurtin 980172@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Sona, why do you say "feminist views" like that is a bad thing? Feminists believe in healthy sexuality, too!</p> <p>Your point is that the popularity of this book has given permission to some women to explore their own sexuality. More power to them!<br /> But there are other aspects of the book that some of us find troubling.</p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-980163 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:19:56 +0000 Sona 980163@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Una: I would say read it: don't focus on the writing or&nbsp;characters as much but more as expanding your horizons. I still hear of Lady Chatterley's lover in hushed tones and have yet to read it! Don't listen to the hype or the feminist views: just try and read it without prejudice and see what it does for you. You might end up saying " meh" or "hmmm". only time will tell.</p> <p>My hubby and I have never discussed the book but I did go to a lingerie store a few months after I read the book and the owner told me&nbsp;that she had never before seen as many women in every age group buying&nbsp;as many&nbsp;sex toys ( conventional&nbsp;as well as&nbsp;not quite so conventional: e.g&nbsp; a vibrator for a man's scrotum). and they inevitably referenced the book as making them feel more adventurous.</p> <p>I think that's the power of the book but there is much to be said about other aspects of it. I have met many people who have heard snippets and never wanted to read the book:&nbsp;I felt the same way for a long time but then said heck let's see what the fuss is about. And yes there were parts that made me go hmmmm with an evil glint in my eye! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-980147 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:00:01 +0000 catgirl 980147@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I only read the first couple of chapters because I couldn't deal with the extremely poor writing, but I did hear every last detail from friends.&nbsp; What I disliked was the reinforcement of the idea that women can change or save the man they love if they just stick it out.&nbsp; There are just so many pitfalls.&nbsp;&nbsp;Certainly&nbsp;I wouldn't want anyone approaching me with that attitude.&nbsp;&nbsp;Sadly, in real life&nbsp;I see too many women in domestic violence situations because they believed the man would change for them.&nbsp; It's an appealing idea but rarely works.</p> <p>Sona, I would love to hear more about your thoughts! </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-980143 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:56:35 +0000 Sona 980143@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Irene,</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I cannot find the original piece from wall street journal that talked <u>about fifty shades of grey doing for the modern day woman what lady Chatterley's lover did&nbsp; for women's&nbsp;view of sexuality eons ago</u>&nbsp;which is why I read it in the first place. It has its role in changing the way women think about sexuality in this era and perhaps that is its biggest strength while <u>everything you mentioned in your&nbsp;original post&nbsp;is the part than women need to/should not&nbsp;focus on.</u> </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-980128 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:35:14 +0000 Irene 980128@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Oh, Sona, I'm sorry if my response read as shutting you down, it wasn't! I know I can sound aggressive sometimes, so my apologies if I offended you in any way. I know this is a discussion and thus, any viewpoint is welcomed :)</p> <p> </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-980089 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:50:13 +0000 Sona 980089@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Irene: I think their relationship does change from him being a control freak to doing anything to keep her happy even if it means abolishing some of the control. I am not a fan of Christian Grey and he would scare the bejeezus out of me and I would run before you could say 'fast'. But I do think their relationship changed....as the book(s) progressed.</p> <p>She is not a battered woman. And its battered and shattered women that we worry about getting into situations with control freaks.</p> <p>Just my two cents. I think if this is an open discussion opposing viewpoints should be welcomed and not shot down. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-980000 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:14:15 +0000 Irene 980000@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>Oh, IK, that's another story. Aspiring to be a writer myself one day, this really discourages me. I think we as a society should learn to expect more (instead of less) of each cultural thing that comes up (be it painting, film, music, literature...). We should be much more demanding. But we aren't. Anybody can write nowadays -fortunately- and thus, everybody can write really bad novels and compose really bad music. The amazing thing is that many people like them, which is a mystery. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-979989 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:05:03 +0000 Ana 979989@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>IK, I totally agree. I think almost every writer out there did a little inner 'WTF' when 50 Shades took off. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-979983 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:03:00 +0000 ironkurtin 979983@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>And for the record if my husband wanted 3-4 booty calls a day, I would remind him that God gave him two hands. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-979981 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:01:50 +0000 ironkurtin 979981@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p>I agree with Ana.</p> <p>My problem with 50 Shades is how badly it is written.&nbsp; I support the author's right to write about whatever she wants, and for people to read and enjoy it (or not).&nbsp; But it depresses me when poor craft does well.&nbsp; It makes me wonder why the heck I bother. </p> https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/topic/50-shades-of-grey-really-is-a-dangerous-book#post-979980 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:01:44 +0000 Irene 979980@https://youlookfab.com/welookfab/ <p><a href="http://30thoughts.com/2012/08/31/10-reasons-why-women-love-christian-grey/" rel="nofollow">http://30thoughts.com/2012/08/.....tian-grey/</a></p> <p>All them 'true', but none change the fact that he is a controlling freak. And women 'love him'. Just google Christian Grey and you will find too many sites on 'how to find your own Grey', 'Why women love Grey', 'Grey's best quotes'... yes, there's an infatuation going on there. Of course it's not real, these women are not in love with a fictional character, but instead of loving a good, nice character, they are attracted to a dysfunctional one. That's scary, but he does have a cool car, buys her a Mac, is very hot and gives her like three orgasms per intercourse, and three to four intercourse sessions a day. </p> <p></p> <p>PS: I'm glad that there are good Romance novels out there (not fan of the genre myself). I think the author copied Twilight's plot and scenes, but Twilight had fantasy undertones and 50 shades has sexual undertones. James wasn't even able to copy Bella, she feels a bit smarter to me -if not much. And she doesn't say 'wow' and 'hot' every ten lines. She sounded like a 10 year old girl. She was that silly. 'What is he gonna do now? Oh my... this is making me horny... oh wow... how hot is he... how exciting this is... oh wow...'. Is it really necessary for you to say this? Can't we just imagine? I'm making this up since I read it in Spanish, but I don't think I am deviating too much from the 'original' source.</p>