I think everyone is trying to be helpful here, and it's appreciated that you tried some new photos, but the photos are not very good for assessing your overall shape. We're looking DOWN at your body from a vantage point close to the mirror, which distorts the image, makes you appear narrower at the bottom and wider at the top -- trust me, I'm a photographer and I know what these lenses do. Ideally, the camera needs to be a bit lower and further away from the mirror so there's no distortion, and we need to see your whole body, including shoulders, with your arms down at your sides. Everything you're doing in those photos right now makes you look broader up top than you may be in reality.

I don't know vase from lollipop either (I'm not familiar with those definers, and I agree with Mo, it does sound a bit like splitting hairs at that level), but it does sound and look like you are IT-ish. You don't look particularly short-waisted either, but again, it's hard to say without seeing the entire length of your body, including a full view of your legs, and from straight on, not a high-up angle at close view. Can you get a friend to take a photo?

You're not looking down actually the photos were taken in a mirror straight ahead... How does my waist look bigger than my hips? They indent?

Chiming back in one more time. From the pictures you posted, your waist does indeed look tiny. But more importantly (in terms of overall shape), your ribcage appears broader than your hips. This effect is exacerbated by the angle of the photo, which does appear to point downward. When you point the camera ahead and aim straight at the mirror, you get a downward-angled image -- unless you hold the camera at hip height!

So anyway, I'm sticking with my original assessment of inverted triangle, even though I can't really see your shoulders (you need an idea of shoulder width to properly judge body shape). But you say you've got wide shoulders, and your ribcage seems wider than your hips, so small waist or not, you appear to be a statuesque IT!

(BTW hourglass figures usually have hips a couple of inches larger than their bust. Your hips are a couple of inches smaller than your bust).

As for lollipop vs. vase, I have no idea. I don't follow Trinny and Susannah.

I have been thinking this over way to much so I am back here! Thanks for those above who pointed out that Angie actually has 5 basic shapes ( I realised during the day at work that I had missed one in the count)

I am not going to go over what you are yourself (as it seems from your other recent post that you have worked out how you want to dress) but just look at the simple question of "what is the difference between a vase and a lollipop in the T & S system." I have read their book on the 12 body shapes (this link includes pages from it http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem.....es--you.ht) and had a look at their current website http://trinnyandsusannah.com/category/body-shapes/and at a few other blogs that considered it in detail.

I have come to the conclusion that T & S include height and build into at least some of their body types. The Vase fundamentally a subset of hourglass and the lollipop a subset of rectangle. I think the Vase has to be of reasonable height as it has to include both slim legs AND a torso with some length to it.
The Lollipop is thin and delicate and longlegged with a bust that seem disproportionately big for the shoulders.

Also Susannah classifies herself as a Vase. And they don't expect everyone to perfectly fit every item of one of their categories either.

[QUOTE]Chiming back in one more time. From the pictures you posted, your waist does indeed look tiny. But more importantly (in terms of overall shape), your ribcage appears broader than your hips. This effect is exacerbated by the angle of the photo, which does appear to point downward. When you point the camera ahead and aim straight at the mirror, you get a downward-angled image -- unless you hold the camera at hip height!

So anyway, I'm sticking with my original assessment of inverted triangle, even though I can't really see your shoulders (you need an idea of shoulder width to properly judge body shape). But you say you've got wide shoulders, and your ribcage seems wider than your hips, so small waist or not, you appear to be a statuesque IT!

(BTW hourglass figures usually have hips a couple of inches larger than their bust. Your hips are a couple of inches smaller than your bust).

As for lollipop vs. vase, I have no idea. I don't follow Trinny and Susannah.

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that's funny because my rib cage is 26.5 exhaling and normally 27.5. Definitely smaller... My hips are 33'. It looks drastic because I have a high way my waist indentation is right below my rib cage so it's curves are obvious there. This is actually a reason I think I'm hourglass, Hourglasses have waist definition from the bottom and top not just the bottom.... the waist has to go in like an X not like a Y or upside down Y.

And my camera is faced forward.

But I do agree that you do seem to confuse the pear shape with the hourglass shape. As you think hourglasses are more hippy than busty and little definition from the top just like a pear. Basically you described a p[ear with broad shoulders. Als a question to you if my hips are too small to be hourglass how come body shape calculators always say I am hourglass?

@anne yeah by that sense though is the bust too big for the vase as well?

Because my shoulders are definitely not too small for my bust or build...

Also lollipops are also expected to be tall as well. I am actually short. But goblet really doesn't fit my shape as I do have a waist and it's one of the last areas to gain weight so I just go by proportion. Proportionally I have long legs. But a nurse said I had a long back as well for my personal size. So that whole thing as far as balance is difficult to determine.

I think you just want to be told you're an hourglass. If you really want to hear advise, then share a picture of your full body in front of the mirror in underwear or tight clothes, with your arms relaxed, from head to foot and in a straight angle. You can cut your face or blur it if you want. Share also your measurements, your 'trouble areas', where you gain weight, etc.

For all I've read, you're an inverted triangle. Your rib cage is larger than your hips, your shoulders are broad, your boobs are big and your bottom body is slimmer in comparison. You're slim so your waist is tight and small. There is nothing wrong with having a different body shape than an hourglass. I see many posts of girls wanting to know their body shape and the only answear they'll take is an hourglass. They almost get offended if you tell them that's not her body shape. It doesn't matter! Is all about playing proportions! All body shapes are beautiful.

Now, about the lollipop and vase, I was having the same question. And they told me the lollipop has a small frame overall and big boobs, the goblet has a broad back and shoulders and big boobs, and the vase has hips equal to boobs size, flatter and less extreme than the hourglass.

It sounds like you're a goblet, to me, like Renee Zellweger.

I already shared my measurements.... You obviously did not read. They're 36-23-33. Calculate it,,, my rib cage isn't bigger than my hips lol I wish. My bust has 8 inch cups.... My rib cage is 27.5" compared to 33" hips...

http://www.calculator.net/body.....lator.html

I'm not making this up. I am actually being honest.

And my weight gain is mainly in my bust and then butt and thighs. That's how I gain weight...

Mimi it does not sound like you actually read what I said you just read what you wanted to hear. Probably not even from me since you still said I have a bigger rib cage than hips when that is far from the truth.

My whr is .69. So my waist is not just small it is significantly different from my hips... That ratio is the same as Scarlett johansson. 25/36.

I will eventually show a photo of myself with a bikini.

I'm not a goblet because my back is quite narrow and my waistline is not my problem area it hardly ever gains goblets apso have no waist definition... But I do from both my top and bottom.

And my overall frame is actually smaller... That's why I consider myself lollipop because I'm considered petit with big boobs but I also have broad shoulders like a vase would...

Like I said you obviously heard nothing of what I posted and are thinking of the typical inverted triangle.

Also I don't normally consider myself hourglass rather a mix of vase lollipop and lastly goblet.

My body dimensions out of the five shape is hourglass being 36-23-33 that's all I said.

Hmm, just why is defining yourself according to T&S's theory so important to you, Kfmi? Will it change the way you dress? Part of the problem you are running into seems to be that the T&S system isn't used by most of us on this forum so answering your question and slotting you into your preferred category isn't easy.

Also, everyone is trying to be helpful by offering their opinion. It might be less contentious to recognize that opinions aren't facts, and arguing that someone's opinion is wrong is usually counterproductive. Maybe it's best to just think of an opinion as a piece of information that you can choose to use--or ignore?

Ok, I'll answer again when you post a proper photo. By the way, is not all about the measurements, I have hourglass measurements but I'm not an hourglass! Calculators tell me that also. I'm even less top heavy than you (because of the measurements you gave) and I know for sure that's not my body shape because what matters is the whole body proportion. But like I said, I'll wait for the photo.

You could try contacting this lady.
http://bodyshapestyle.com/contact-me/
But I'm sure she'd want to see a full picture too.

Yes Mimi it is about proportions this is why bigger people can be called hourglass a lot if the time but not look it but I on the other hand have ratios below .7.

@gaylene I'm not arguing I'm just setting facts straight. My rib cage is way smaller than my hips and I have a low whr. So there is an obvious difference in my waist to hips due to this math.

Thanks anne.

So no new photo, then?

Kfmi, I feel some empathy for you because I used to be a long time follower of Trinny and Susannah myself. I started to read their books even before they were on TV and my very first question on this forum here related to their body shapes. And I was taken by their body shape advice personally, because I looked through the book and saw one of the pictures and thought I could be looking in a mirror - they had got me. Looking back afterwards I don't actually resemble that body type exactly (it is not quite me on at least 2 of the descriptors) but it happened that I really like and resonated with their dressing suggestions.

I also feel a bit sorry for you because there is so much body shape information out there on the web, and heaps of sites just on the T & S body shapes and some of them seem to contradict each other.

But here's the thing. Right here on You Look Fab we have advice from Angie who is a fashion stylist and who dresses heaps of women AS HER JOB. And there is a community of women who are friendly, generous and polite who can really help you. You can post an outfit and they'll give you advice on how to improve that specific outfit. I'll take that advice over just reading a book, even if she doesn't use the exact body shape system you'd like. Although Angie uses just 5 shapes (and she compares hips and shoulders, not hips and bust) she also has many posts on what she calls modifiers
eg http://youlookfab.com/2011/05/.....full-bust/
http://youlookfab.com/2006/07/03/powerful-petites/. Sometimes those modifers are more important to how you dress than your body type. (in my case having short legs and a long torso is more significant than my body type) In your case it could being being petite sized and having a large bust.
Click here for more of her posts on body type http://youlookfab.com/category.....body-type/

Another person who has written a lot on body types and whose advice I respect is imogen Lampart at Inside Out Style. (It was actually she who wrote the post above on how to dress a full bust, as a guest blogger for Angie) She is also a stylist who dresses people all the time. She doesn't find the t & S system very useful and has her own system - with a few differences from Angie. She had a great series on real life body shapes and heaps of advice for dressing. You can also contact her - I did and sent her a photo and she confirmed what shape I was under her system. Here's a link to one of them http://www.insideoutstyleblog......pes-v.html (I am not saying that you are a v shape; you can link to the others from that page)

Both these people don't really deal with measurements but with how people look from the front, (You can see that in the picture on Imogen's page). I think that that is what Mimi and Arizaphale were doing too. I am sure they read what you wrote, it is just that they were looking at how you looked in your picture from the front. So a hourglass can still have a bust a couple of inches less than her hips because she'll still look balanced from the front (because some of the "hip" measurement is out the back in your bottom and not visible). Similarly, your ribcage measurement is of course less than the circumference of your your hips, but from the front it could look as if it is wider than the front of your hips.

I honestly don't think those body shape calculators where you just punch in the numbers are worth your time. There are other variables involved than ratios.

Now to your specific question "is the bust too big for the vase?" I'd say not. It certainly seem to indicate that someone's bust is on the larger size, but the I think the general idea was that a vase was balanced between the hips and the bust so it isn't a top heavy look.

You don't need to strip down to a bikini - form fitting clothing is fine - like leggings and a tight top. Just so long as we can see your whole body or at least your body from the neck downwards

Very nice post Anne.

http://i59.tinypic.com/sce32x.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/2cpxlwz.jpg

You definitely have a lovely figure. According to the terms we use around here, I'd say inverted triangle. I'm not familiar with the T&S terms so I can't help with that.

Agreed with Mary. It would seem that for the purposes of dressing, you have lots of options for your body type and size. I'll be blunt: you are lucky -- you're fit, you're young, and you have a shapely yet slim figure. Your shoulders are wide, your hips are narrow -- this is a pretty enviable body type in our society. Is there something more specific you are looking for? It almost seems like you're looking for some answer that no one is giving you.

No but my waist is much narrower than my hips... An inverted triangle doesn't have the X figure that I have. And you haven't seen my shoulders so what are you talking about?

My hips aren't narrow for my figure though they're much wider than my hips.

Not every hourglass is even on top and bottom. That's why there's top hourglass too.

http://www.shopyourshape.com/b.....shape.html

OK, I'm not arguing. No one knows your body better than you do. Why not just say what you believe your shape actually is, and move on. Truly, most of do not have body shapes that are easily pigeonholed, so why fret it? Enjoy!

I was trying to be nice, I was trying to be supportive, I was trying to be helpful. I am starting to think that you are here for some reason other than to really gain helpful advice so I'm outie.

We don't really do trolling here...

You are most definitely an inverted triangle. Actually, we can pretty much see your shoulder line in the very last picture you posted. Your upper body carries more presence than your lower half, that is not a bad thing. Very many models are this body type. You need to quit arguing with the ladies here who are trying to be helpful. You have received not only good advice but encouragement and praise for your figure! There seems to be collective agreement for inverted triangle.

Are you just upset that I pointed out a fact that a triangle of any sort doesn't go in the middle like I do. So the shape isn't exactly which was my point and problem with dressing in the beginning.

Your system doesn't work for everyone accept it. My body shape goes out at the top and bottom and much smaller in the middle yet it's not exactly hourglass.
@msmary.

For anyone who can actually answer my question. Please answer I'm not arguing in bringing up a valid point here.

Simplify things: you're bigger on top and smaller on bottom and you have a waist. You don't need a label to be beautiful. You don't like other terms besides hourglass because it is considered the "most desired shape". I'm going to tell you what I told someone else, I love when someone tells me I'm an hourglass but it's more vanity than actual advise because what's the point of that? I'll still be bigger on top and smaller on bottom. The hourglass advise won't work for me. Is better to recognize what my body type is if I want to look for fashion tips. For me, hourglass means big on top, big on bottom, big boobs and a small waist. That's my personal opinion, though. Inverted triangles can have small waists too, by the way. Look at Naomi Campbell, Teri Hatcher, etc. they're inverted triangles with small waists. I think that's you body shape and It will help you if look for tips in that body shape. Love yourself!

@tina I'm not arguing I'm asking a question here?

I asked if I'm an inverted triangle how comet waist is smaller than my hips and bust significantly? You know no triangle can be small in the middle?

This is my point. If you can't answer this then my question stands.

Mimi I don't consider myself an hourglass.... Have you read anything of what I said? I prefer 12 body shapes because I don't fit any category.